Dyes for Wind Rider

[zosiek]

don't forget that only Backstab and lethal blow can crit anyway

ye and you r rarely made to use deadly cos everything dies in 2 stabs +lb, >60%
or 1 >40% ~
with pl i got like 45-50% crit rate

+5 str ftw
personaly got -con but its up to you
and hf when you get used to step>stab>invalid tg ;p

Playing with -5 con in kamaels chronicle ? its like perm stun...

tell that to poor ghs

[►Kuro1n]

well low it's still better than nothing ...
and show me witch  dager whill use normal hits in pvp to cancel so that haste to count?

mp out and EE incapacitated for a lil or got other priorities then what?

[Kormoran]

well low it's still better than nothing ...
and show me witch  dager whill use normal hits in pvp to cancel so that haste to count?

mp out and EE incapacitated for a lil or got other priorities then what?

Still ppl will not stay next to you and wait for death they will be running(you hit-> they run a bit further so u still need to reach them after every hit) so its stupid to put haste for me it makes no difference in pvp maybe its better for exp but this is just my opinion

[Avatha Valiarde]

Ok And same dyes for Adventurer ?
I think rather for exp dyes, and maybe some good advice for certs ?
Right now my equip is like this: draco set + AS+haste (and I think it will stay in this for some time )
Thx for help

[►Kuro1n]

well low it's still better than nothing ...
and show me witch  dager whill use normal hits in pvp to cancel so that haste to count?

mp out and EE incapacitated for a lil or got other priorities then what?

Still ppl will not stay next to you and wait for death they will be running(you hit-> they run a bit further so u still need to reach them after every hit) so its stupid to put haste for me it makes no difference in pvp maybe its better for exp but this is just my opinion

Not all players run all the time, like i said its personal preference...

[CrossFirepwnz]

Dex affects on blow/phusical success rate, right? Str affects on skills critical rate (x2) and lethal success rate?

I'm testing +4dex/+4con//-8str and +4wit/-4int. P.atk really sucks but I think will be ok.

WR dyes - you doing it right.

[zosiek]

fokin troll xD

[ayozito]

Ok And same dyes for Adventurer ?
I think rather for exp dyes, and maybe some good advice for certs ?
Right now my equip is like this: draco set + AS+haste (and I think it will stay in this for some time )
Thx for help

for me, if an adventurer wanna seems at least a bit to a dagger, they must use +5 str +4 dex -9 con xD

[SUFFER]

If you're a plains walker with -9, in drac, your skill crit chance is about 11.7% and 14.04% if you have mortal strike up.
If you're +5 str, in drac, your skill crit chance is about 19.35% and 23.22% if you have mortal strike up.

Of course there will be people stuck in their old ways, the simple fact of the matter however is that genuinely talented daggers haven't gone -str since like interlude. Dex makes no difference whatsoever to stab land rate and the loss of speed can be made up by skill enchants on pw. Yes you will lose some attack speed but really, dagger skills are very quick anyway, you barely need it. +5str-5dex is perfect on a pw. It's understandable to have concerns over this for oly but the skill crit chance is so significant for making your "gauranteed" stabs (out of hide/ss) the match winners. In open pvp factors like cov enchant can also help the speed reduction. If you went -str, sadly, there's nothing he can give you to make you hit double, almost double the time.

[SplichO]

dex =  evasion, crit rate, move speed

You don't want to remove dex on a class which is based on high evasion, focus death is more then enough to give hard crit power with lets say Oly ring and in case of Oly ring + AQ ring you will have crit power more then enough. Only idiots remove dex from any class...is even better to leave PW without dys and just put +4 wit -4 int then removing dex...

[SUFFER]

dex =  evasion, crit rate, move speed

You don't want to remove dex on a class which is based on high evasion, focus death is more then enough to give hard crit power with lets say Oly ring and in case of Oly ring + AQ ring you will have crit power more then enough. Only idiots remove dex from any class...is even better to leave PW without dys and just put +4 wit -4 int then removing dex...

You could either listen to me, or you could listen to the guy who says the same points over, doesn't give any real evidence and doesn't seem to understand what stab crits are. Being the dick I am I'll break down his points though.

Evasion - Probably the only valid point. Evasion doesn't work on skills, you need ue/wr for that so only melee. Now consider how many classes melee. Mystics in general don't, kams don't, other daggers don't, tanks and shitty classes like bd/sws do. Do bd/sws give you any trouble? No. Does losing 3 evasion really make a big fucking difference vs tanks? No. Do they get enough ways to harm you without having to rely on melee? Yeah. Seems real smart to opt for evasion!! Here's a tip. How about enchanting sand bomb and using that. Hum.

Crit rate - Has no difference on chance to stab crit, only melee. Do you melee a lot outside of hero poling / buff cancelling in oly? No. YUP. PRIORITY STAT!

Speed - Already gave ways how the speed reduction can be decreased. With blinding used correctly and lv83 skill and some speed skill enchants no one is going to outrun you, and if they have a slow then you wouldn't have outrun them to begin with.

Please give me a better debate next time rather than posting typical nonsense with no real thought behind it. It's so easy to see on l2 who actually fucking thinks about what they're doing and who's just been told and doesn't question it.

[ezraelide]

+5str -5 dex
wit+4 int-4

[SplichO]

-8 str, +4 con, +4dex
-4int, wit +4
If you go for other dyes, your a retard.

Crossfire is one of people that played dagger same as me so this suggestion doesn't come out of other people opinions, so i quited his post also to remind you that people who played dagger and were good with it suggesting this.

dex =  evasion, crit rate, move speed

You don't want to remove dex on a class which is based on high evasion, focus death is more then enough to give hard crit power with lets say Oly ring and in case of Oly ring + AQ ring you will have crit power more then enough. Only idiots remove dex from any class...is even better to leave PW without dys and just put +4 wit -4 int then removing dex...

Please give me a better debate next time rather than posting typical nonsense with no real thought behind it. It's so easy to see on l2 who actually fucking thinks about what they're doing and who's just been told and doesn't question it.

Debate? You dumb or something?
I will repeat again: Only idiots would remove dex from any class.g
Why would you lower your move speed and then raise it with enchanting skills, you can do both have enchanted skills on speed (get more boost) and not remove dex. I had an PW and Th with Oly Ring and AQ ring and it hits like a truck and i had -8 Str so your weird explanations about removing dex and adding str and in all this story not adding Con is dumb as sh1t.
Don't be dumb and compare what do you gain with +4 dex and +4 Con and what do you get with +5 str and -5 dex, and you talk about "DRACONIC SET" gz so you either expect to have Oly earing or Zaken so you can wake up from chain stuns that you would get by any class starting with Doomcryer, Dwarf, Tank,...... , and lets not forget GOOD OLD Doom bringer that would out run you if you would have -5 dex and kept you on rush impact till he kills you without using any other skill.

And in the end: Who the fuk are you in game?

[SUFFER]

Excellent / predictable comeback.

You keep bringing up full epics being enough damage. I'll explain it clearly though as you still don't seem to understand what skill crits are. If you have full epics and stab for 4k, at chance, you will sometimes hit for 8k. The chance to do this is based on your str. If you stab crit you will usually one shot someone. To put it in your language, YOU HIT LIKE 2TRUK. Honestly I lost my will to reason back when you said lol @ drac, as if going around in maj forever is viable anymore. Wake up. Elements are pretty important. Protip: Even if you wear maj, berserkers are still going to stun you. It's kind of a big secret though so don't tell anyone ok? Seriously though. If you don't skill crit you'll whittle him down too slowly, he'll get a chance to body reconstruction and combined with ud, the strikeback damage you'll be risking on every stab and disarms, he'll kill you way before you had a fair chance. If you hide > backstab > ss > backstab, if either of those skill crits he will die. I could twist any possible class match up around, anyone with sense could.

I've had enough of you anyway, you can barely type let alone think up a legitimate response. Keep posting your outdated opinions. Next you'll be telling me that going -con on an endgame gh is LOLSTUPID when satyricon pulls it off very well. You know, the guy who might be a tad better than crossfire. As for who I am in game. I'm no one of any real importance, I'll catch up and I'm sure we'll fight and we can make judgments then. To be honest though I think it's a little bit more elegant to not be known on the server and still know a vast amount more than you could ever hope to about the game.

[SplichO]

Rage more please.

"Outdated opinions"

If you gonna make someone 9k or 12k from back stab and that person has 8k health with vitality song then it is irelevant don't you think so? As for Attributes, yes i know is important but there is a thing called macro and in case you fight vs fighter class such as tank and zerker you can switch on Maj, in case vs some mage class you can switch on attributed Draco set. This is just an example how to solve problems with playing a class vs mage/fighter type enemy. And i am talking here about balanced pvp with both sides similar gear not someone with 300 attribute 5 lvls higher and so on...there is milions of solutions that are better then removing dex, and milions of explanations and "UPDATED OPINIONS" for your info.

You got to understand that none of set up of dys is perfect, with every set up you lose or gain something but
+4 con +4 dex +4 wit > +5 str +4 wit


ps.Using caps is not "my language" is made for people that are blind to see the point so Capsed letters could be seen better.

[CrossFirepwnz]

Satyricon is playing with -8 str, 4+con/dex.

[Avatha Valiarde]

SplichO I have question for you. You will use the same configuration of dayes for TH ? or without +4wit -4int  but +1 more for con/dex ?

[SplichO]

I would use absolutely same dys, i didn't pick +4 wit so i could cast self heal on PW but for other reason.

[Avatha Valiarde]

I guessed that it was not for heal ;>

Thx for answer

And maybe some hints for certs ?

[SplichO]

When i played Th i tryed to make it "Rambo" style, so get celestial, + Cp (with shirt +4 CP) and add passive focus cose gives same as triger but doesn't need to activate. I would suggest you UD  (instead of CP) also but is to many trigers if you don't got 23 slots and even then i was up more for some PP resist buffs then counting on UD. For sure go on Critical Damage as SA no matter what grade Dagger is cose like someone mentioned earlier AS+Haste is for BD/SWS (mainly) so they can cancel buffs on people if they got PvP added.


When we talking about it i would add you that you should go on Wind/Earth/Fire/Water resist on Draco set and when you do get a chance to have S80 set to go on wind/earth/fire/water/dark and not add holy for sure, it will be little tricky cose most of archers got Holy on bow (or earth), Tanks goes Holy also, BD/SWS does the same but most of this you can solve with UE and enchanted passive agility and that 4 dex comes handy don't you think so

PvP Armor + Mirage + Switch (you can add trick but Switch reuse is more then decent) just suggestions.

[Avatha Valiarde]

Thx for advice

[culinko]

are celest/cp/haste trigger good certs for WR?

[zosiek]

Rage more please.

"Outdated opinions"

If you gonna make someone 9k or 12k from back stab and that person has 8k health with vitality song then it is irelevant don't you think so?

so damn, have u ever had to 2 shot sm1?
1shots all tha time? fack u r pro

edit
ahhh i forgot, u suck at math

[bolo5]

ability to outrun enemies on oly/ faster get to healer on block ww/ str0ng evasion for tanks/ destros, alwayes some blow landrate from dex,  ididnt personally observe lower dmg / less crit rate from blows making -str, +dex/con/wi/more dex/con why con ? alwayes hp and stun resistance is nice
i tested those dyes both on th on x5 and pw on x15, nothing better imo to do than those type of dyes and ppl who actually playied daggers instead of some suports and just read forums will say the same
just my opinion
as for sub skills cp eva celestial imo and all those emergent for mdef since so mucho nukers QQ

[zosiek]

ability to outrun enemies on oly/ faster get to healer on block ww/ str0ng evasion for tanks/ destros, alwayes some blow landrate from dex,  ididnt personally observe lower dmg / less crit rate from blows making -str, +dex/con/wi/

chk diffrence between -9 str and +5
14 str in that case is like 3x more crits on skils

if u aint believe blah just do it urself, its visible as fk

-landrate of blows=dex is so c3
-2 eva/speed r big deal with +20 skils