Question about STR on Daggers

[Relic]

Im sorry i just couldnt resist to post this screen with mm having 244 speed.

[Pel8]

with 3x zerk?

gz i guess

[babyface]

lol if pwu/aw needed alwayes make blinding blow to get to healer means he runs for 15seconds after healer without stab and then with stab for 15secs? this is very retarded, yes u will do re d/s cov or bufs but u wont have again 83 skill, 4-5 dex does matter in all profs, th - because he has so fakin low of it i wouldnt touch it any more, pw- because he has alot and that's what makes pw so cool, aw- similiar to pw, but aw dyes are pure playstyle matter imo

do you now such skill like dash omg..............

its just 15 seconds, and speed isnt only thing moved by dex
cool, i bet it was siege with those funny haste potions, hell knows how many zerkrs and what other crap, cool, it is possible tho its not alwayes

[Raziel]

lol if pwu/aw needed alwayes make blinding blow to get to healer means he runs for 15seconds after healer without stab and then with stab for 15secs? this is very retarded, yes u will do re d/s cov or bufs but u wont have again 83 skill, 4-5 dex does matter in all profs, th - because he has so fakin low of it i wouldnt touch it any more, pw- because he has alot and that's what makes pw so cool, aw- similiar to pw, but aw dyes are pure playstyle matter imo

do you now such skill like dash omg..............

+ = WIN (c)DEX

[blackeagle]

Im sorry i just couldnt resist to post this screen with mm having 244 speed.

nice resists

[Zent]

[blackeagle]

what is this i dont even

[KnGhtmRe]

because speed, evasion and attack speed are not important for a dagger?!?

I would go +4 str +5 dex -9 con on a th.
                    no dyes on aw,
                    elfs are ghey

Speed ?Yes it is important but than again dagger is one of the few class which have passive for ++speed(which you can enchant),i wont even talk about talismans/buffs and such crap.
Evasion ?No not rly for that you have UE GW/EA/WR.
Attack speed ?Since it doesnt affect skill re-use anymore,it has lost its value for classes which rely on skills,even more there are so many buffs which increase your attack speed(warrior trigger,Gfury),that i doubt you will notice that -50 attack speed loss.

And than again im talking about end-game.
[/quote]

you clearly have never played a dagger. please stop giving retarded advice about a class you don't know.
- end game, those small boosts from +dex make the difference. you enchant evasion for +2 evasion, why wouldn't you want another +1/2 evasion from dyes?
- in long fights you will end up using normal attacks as well. dex increases attack speed and crit rate.
-  reuse is not affected by attack speed, but "cast" time of skill is. landing a lethal blow before your opponent could win you the match.
- the are a lot of buffs that increase speed, true. there are also a lot of debuffs that decrease speed. don't talk about self buffs because you're not on perma dash/ blinding blow
- and about those stupid comment to not make a th in a pw/aw...th with dyes has more dex/str/con than either pw/aw. human fighters simply have more of this cumulated stats than elfs/dark elfs.

[L0lly]

seriously.. we are on RPG.. there's no such thing as endgame here
if a slh/db can stun/para lock whole party there's no place for discussion about endgame

dunno how you pr0s but 85 lvl daggers tend to make +5dex -5CON dont ask me why.. bcoz you can made up any shiit reason you wanna and it will just fit to your own idea of l2..

l2j trash from all the possible servers out there nolifing 4 months start to call those lolpvps endgame..

I just spotted somewhere Binkz crying about kamaels.. rotfl

sory for weak flame lol but any topic here about game mechanics is the same.. first a wave of l2j nerds who know shit, than some DV quotes and than brilliant conclusions which has nothing in common with endgame on EU/RU retail.

instead of making fools of urself on forums, go kill mobs, it will get you closer to the endgame you are so so crazy about

[vaurk]

[you clearly have never played a dagger. please stop giving retarded advice about a class you don't know.
- end game, those small boosts from +dex make the difference. you enchant evasion for +2 evasion, why wouldn't you want another +1/2 evasion from dyes?
- in long fights you will end up using normal attacks as well. dex increases attack speed and crit rate.
-  reuse is not affected by attack speed, but "cast" time of skill is. landing a lethal blow before your opponent could win you the match.
- the are a lot of buffs that increase speed, true. there are also a lot of debuffs that decrease speed. don't talk about self buffs because you're not on perma dash/ blinding blow
- and about those stupid comment to not make a th in a pw/aw...th with dyes has more dex/str/con than either pw/aw. human fighters simply have more of this cumulated stats than elfs/dark elfs.

are you talking from an olympiad or outside pvp end game perspective ?

the bonuses from dex won't ever change shit in a fight. attack speed? greater fury, evasion ? 1/2/3 evasion won't change shit in a fight. 10 crit rate from dex will matter in a long fight, sure.

end game = individual and group skill+epics+levels+oe skills+mp management

[Relic]

because speed, evasion and attack speed are not important for a dagger?!?

I would go +4 str +5 dex -9 con on a th.
                    no dyes on aw,
                    elfs are ghey

Speed ?Yes it is important but than again dagger is one of the few class which have passive for ++speed(which you can enchant),i wont even talk about talismans/buffs and such crap.
Evasion ?No not rly for that you have UE GW/EA/WR.
Attack speed ?Since it doesnt affect skill re-use anymore,it has lost its value for classes which rely on skills,even more there are so many buffs which increase your attack speed(warrior trigger,Gfury),that i doubt you will notice that -50 attack speed loss.

And than again im talking about end-game.

you clearly have never played a dagger. please stop giving retarded advice about a class you don't know.
- end game, those small boosts from +dex make the difference. you enchant evasion for +2 evasion, why wouldn't you want another +1/2 evasion from dyes?
- in long fights you will end up using normal attacks as well. dex increases attack speed and crit rate.
-  reuse is not affected by attack speed, but "cast" time of skill is. landing a lethal blow before your opponent could win you the match.
- the are a lot of buffs that increase speed, true. there are also a lot of debuffs that decrease speed. don't talk about self buffs because you're not on perma dash/ blinding blow
- and about those stupid comment to not make a th in a pw/aw...th with dyes has more dex/str/con than either pw/aw. human fighters simply have more of this cumulated stats than elfs/dark elfs.
[/quote]

I dont even have to play this game to know that boosting dex is dumb.
About rest i wont even bother vaurk already answered.

[sergeidracuenov]

well guys




so, we cant lower the DEX because all classes have more than TH even w/o dyes,

[KnGhtmRe]

are you talking from an olympiad or outside pvp end game perspective ?

the bonuses from dex won't ever change shit in a fight. attack speed? greater fury, evasion ? 1/2/3 evasion won't change shit in a fight. 10 crit rate from dex will matter in a long fight, sure.

end game = individual and group skill+epics+levels+oe skills+mp management

why? only one of that scenarios applies to daggers? if your a dagger you either play oly OR outside pvp? you can't do both?

some bonuses apply to oly (like crit rate, atk speed) some apply to both (like speed, evasion)

don't give me crap like some extra of any stat doesn't count. then why are u taking subs skills of they don't count? why enchant skills if just a few from dyes doesn't count?

[vaurk]

u're talking theory and ur theory doesn't apply to both scenarios.

you get max attack speed outside oly so what's the point of going +dex FOR the attack speed? same for the small crit rate and evasion. might matter in oly but outside it doesn't. 50 attack speed might matter in oly but not outside.

sub skills +4 evasion/30% attack speed have no disadvantages unlike dyes. you think thats comparable? sub skills arent some extra stat, they're considerable stats increase and you don't lower your CON or STR.

same with enchant skills. +20 ue compared to +0 ue, you think you can compare that with 5 speed/30 crit rate/whatever?

[KnGhtmRe]

it's not theory, it's experience. you're talking about full buffed and s/d all time. pvp is not always at full buff.
it's true that gimping con have some disadvantages, but the advantages you get from increasing dex make up for that IMO. daggers main defensive advantages are speed and evasion, not pdef, not high hp, not a lot of cp. so further increasing those for the cost a few hp points and some cp pots is worth it.

[Guardian]

it's not theory, it's experience. you're talking about full buffed and s/d all time. pvp is not always at full buff.
it's true that gimping con have some disadvantages, but the advantages you get from increasing dex make up for that IMO. daggers main defensive advantages are speed and evasion, not pdef, not high hp, not a lot of cp. so further increasing those for the cost a few hp points and some cp pots is worth it.

well let see -500hp for +5 speed and 10crit rate yeah it's fucking worth................not

[sergeidracuenov]

w/o buffs:



STR+4, DEX-4
78 doomcryer buffs w/o cov at dash 248 speed,
w/o dash = 167 speed

also we have 5670  hp, and 6804 with cov


STR+4, DEX+4, CON-8
78 doomcryer buffs w/o cov at dash 262 speed (max 250)
w/o dash = 176 speed

also we have  4482  hp, and 5379 with cov

STR+4, CON-4
78 doomcryer buffs w/o cov at dash 255 speed (max 250)
w/o dash = 171 speed

also we have  5057  hp, and 6068 with cov

[Gezas]

why you put taht calculator, it's obvisouly outdated and outdated a lot

[sergeidracuenov]

no wai

[Lvnatic]

Str increases blow dmg, dex increases it's land rate, If u -str on any dagger, you are ei BIG NOOB! +str is a must for any pro dagger, especially for AW. +3str-3con, +1dex-1con are my all time fav dye build for daggers. And as far as I know, p.atk doesn't have anything to do with blow dmg!

[hello]

Str increases blow dmg, dex increases it's land rate, If u -str on any dagger, you are ei BIG NOOB! +str is a must for any pro dagger, especially for AW. +3str-3con, +1dex-1con are my all time fav dye build for daggers. And as far as I know, p.atk doesn't have anything to do with blow dmg!

are you trolling or are you just plain stupid?

[Lvnatic]

No. just saying facts.

[hello]

ok so STR increases blow dmg, but p atk is in no way related to skill damage.

[Lvnatic]

Exactly, thats how blows work. A no grade dagger and a vesper one both deal exactly the same dmg from blows. On high rate servers where there are mana pots daggers don't even buff might, etc. cause that's a buff slot that could be used for a resist or something more useful. So the most important thing on a dagger is the SA (CD preferably or back blow). 
Unless they changed this in newer chronicles, I'm 100% right.

[hello]

ok you're really stupid