Spoil Rates

[MichaelV]

Gonna keep this thread open for future suggestions/questions on this subject but please(!), do NOT flame.

[Elisha]

But guys, how could be the spoil rates 1x while Im spoiling SOP from almost everyone "Gigant Confessor" in Branded. And at pmfun.com is written that the chance to spoil SOP is 1/6... I guess that page is set to 1x official servers so... I cant be that lucky huh? 

[asynja]

i bet to DO NOT CHANGE the spoil rate.

if u want mats go and spend hours.
if u are here and cry about "change spoil rate, coz real life is not so important than my game", than just go and do it like a real nolifer.

i guess any of u have spent less than 10h in spoil, just gave it up because of  "its too hard, i cant get 600+ mats in 1h"

and i say it because the best spoil spots are usually clean on this server

they are clean because too little ppl made spoiler-alt to spoil mats cause it's sad to spoil x1 amount of mat. ppl prefer to earn money and buy mats from the market for insane prices cause actually earning adena with other ways is easier than spoiling mats. it is not about that ppl are lazy, it's just unfair when all other server rates are higher and spoil rate is lowered-this is not balanced.
for now, server stands too long to change the rates - so you screwed. it's better to leave it how it is now.

[asynja]

But guys, how could be the spoil rates 1x while Im spoiling SOP from almost everyone "Gigant Confessor" in Branded. And at pmfun.com is written that the chance to spoil SOP is 1/6... I guess that page is set to 1x official servers so... I cant be that lucky huh? 

lol
amount is x1
chance is x3

[BackfromDead]

300k a ori ore. PPL trading fire stones for CL, yea awesome adjust on market prices

[Rozjebunda]

300k a ori ore. PPL trading fire stones for CL, yea awesome adjust on market prices

bcuz they r too lazy to spoil......
2h = 200+ sop, isnt it enough?

[BackfromDead]

what ori ore has to do with sops?

[Ammae]

But guys, how could be the spoil rates 1x while Im spoiling SOP from almost everyone "Gigant Confessor" in Branded. And at pmfun.com is written that the chance to spoil SOP is 1/6... I guess that page is set to 1x official servers so... I cant be that lucky huh? 

coz Its more fucked up than U think

[Guardian]

The more time wasting on spoil rates changing the more server economy will be fucked up. Soon mats will be like an alternate currency people will trade items epic's for mats.

[BackfromDead]

The more time wasting on spoil rates changing the more server economy will be fucked up. Soon mats will be like an alternate currency people will trade items epic's for mats.

u know that wont happen right? U trade for the full item u want not for mats to craft it. u can be retard but dont do it in front of others.

[Guardian]

The more time wasting on spoil rates changing the more server economy will be fucked up. Soon mats will be like an alternate currency people will trade items epic's for mats.

u know that wont happen right? U trade for the full item u want not for mats to craft it. u can be retard but dont do it in front of others.

go grind 24/7  to spoil xxxxsop at 1x amount even in retail with 1x rates you get more than here. why do you waste your precious time on forum you could get 15 sop in that time OMG what are you waiting for GO GO GO!!!

[eric]

you really aren't too bright

[BackfromDead]

The more time wasting on spoil rates changing the more server economy will be fucked up. Soon mats will be like an alternate currency people will trade items epic's for mats.

u know that wont happen right? U trade for the full item u want not for mats to craft it. u can be retard but dont do it in front of others.

go grind 24/7  to spoil xxxxsop at 1x amount even in retail with 1x rates you get more than here. why do you waste your precious time on forum you could get 15 sop in that time OMG what are you waiting for GO GO GO!!!

U trying to hard kid

[Nerz]

yah, c5 clan system soon.

old azure joke :/

[Rozjebunda]

what ori ore has to do with sops?

to let ppl imagine its not so hard as they think
i think ppl just dont know where to spoil..... i made 100 ori ore in less than 1h.... its not something uberhard
i posted about sops bcuz when i see ppl crying about mats, im sick, with chance x3 its so easy, dont see a reason to cry so much...
it takes us 3-4 hours to get mats for 1 S weapon, i think its not much if u play on 5x server...

[Mercenary]

it takes us 3-4 hours to get mats for 1 S weapon, i think its not much if u play on 5x server...

hahah rofl ... suuure it takes you 3-4 hours to spoil all the mats for some S weapon, or at least 50% of it ... suuuure....

you just wrote that it took you 1 hour to spoin 100 ori ore ... and for example http://lineage.pmfun.com/list/recipe/6899/recipe-arcana-mace.html you need 154 ori ore = 1.5 hour,  ok, lets say you have all the Cokes for Creating Synthetic cokes .... 154 VOPs - 154 SoPs, so lets say again 1.5 hour and still need many CPBs and Varnishes .. .but lets say you have already all (we are already on 3 hours for just 2 mats .. i don't count in the time you need to refill with shots etc .. or the time of moving to other spoil location ...); Mithril Alloy - Mithril Ore you have (lets says so), VoPs you just spoiled ... and Steels, from my experience i know that they are missing all the time, but lets say again you have at least 50% of the total 308, so you have 154 and still need to spoil 154, so another 1.5 hour ... ok and now finaly DMP, well tbh i don't really know the best place to spoil them here, on Gracia Final, but lets say you would spoil 100 in 1 hour (which i honestly doubt) and you need 300 of them ... so another 3 hours ....

Alltogether 7.5 hours and i counted that you already had like 50% of almost all mats !!! with even key mats for the weapon ! ... and i didn't counted in the time for some rest of the party / ppl, some refills of shots, moving to some other spoil place ... so at least from 7.5 hours it would be 9 hours ...

BTW and as you know (or should know) there are some mats which should be spoiled in amount of 1-3, well here it is allways 1 ! ... so don't say that you have mats for an S weapon in like 3-4 hours .. maybe in your dreams ..

[Tomasi]

it takes us 3-4 hours to get mats for 1 S weapon, i think its not much if u play on 5x server...

hahah rofl ... suuure it takes you 3-4 hours to spoil all the mats for some S weapon, or at least 50% of it ... suuuure....

you just wrote that it took you 1 hour to spoin 100 ori ore ... and for example http://lineage.pmfun.com/list/recipe/6899/recipe-arcana-mace.html you need 154 ori ore = 1.5 hour,  ok, lets say you have all the Cokes for Creating Synthetic cokes .... 154 VOPs - 154 SoPs, so lets say again 1.5 hour and still need many CPBs and Varnishes .. .but lets say you have already all (we are already on 3 hours for just 2 mats .. i don't count in the time you need to refill with shots etc .. or the time of moving to other spoil location ...); Mithril Alloy - Mithril Ore you have (lets says so), VoPs you just spoiled ... and Steels, from my experience i know that they are missing all the time, but lets say again you have at least 50% of the total 308, so you have 154 and still need to spoil 154, so another 1.5 hour ... ok and now finaly DMP, well tbh i don't really know the best place to spoil them here, on Gracia Final, but lets say you would spoil 100 in 1 hour (which i honestly doubt) and you need 300 of them ... so another 3 hours ....

Alltogether 7.5 hours and i counted that you already had like 50% of almost all mats !!! with even key mats for the weapon ! ... and i didn't counted in the time for some rest of the party / ppl, some refills of shots, moving to some other spoil place ... so at least from 7.5 hours it would be 9 hours ...

BTW and as you know (or should know) there are some mats which should be spoiled in amount of 1-3, well here it is allways 1 ! ... so don't say that you have mats for an S weapon in like 3-4 hours .. maybe in your dreams ..

He said "us". So he probably plays with party. They can go to stakato nest and farm fast. 3-4 hours is correct.

[Mercenary]

He said "us". So he probably plays with party. They can go to stakato nest and farm fast. 3-4 hours is correct.

Ok, i don't say that i know everything, maybe it goes much faster in Stakato as the mobs are quite easy to kill and there is lots of mobs .. or there is like some mats quest i don't know ....
however at least with a normal spoiling it would take the time which i wrote ...

[Rozjebunda]

it takes us 3-4 hours to get mats for 1 S weapon, i think its not much if u play on 5x server...

hahah rofl ... suuure it takes you 3-4 hours to spoil all the mats for some S weapon, or at least 50% of it ... suuuure....

you just wrote that it took you 1 hour to spoin 100 ori ore ... and for example http://lineage.pmfun.com/list/recipe/6899/recipe-arcana-mace.html you need 154 ori ore = 1.5 hour,  ok, lets say you have all the Cokes for Creating Synthetic cokes .... 154 VOPs - 154 SoPs, so lets say again 1.5 hour and still need many CPBs and Varnishes .. .but lets say you have already all (we are already on 3 hours for just 2 mats .. i don't count in the time you need to refill with shots etc .. or the time of moving to other spoil location ...); Mithril Alloy - Mithril Ore you have (lets says so), VoPs you just spoiled ... and Steels, from my experience i know that they are missing all the time, but lets say again you have at least 50% of the total 308, so you have 154 and still need to spoil 154, so another 1.5 hour ... ok and now finaly DMP, well tbh i don't really know the best place to spoil them here, on Gracia Final, but lets say you would spoil 100 in 1 hour (which i honestly doubt) and you need 300 of them ... so another 3 hours ....

Alltogether 7.5 hours and i counted that you already had like 50% of almost all mats !!! with even key mats for the weapon ! ... and i didn't counted in the time for some rest of the party / ppl, some refills of shots, moving to some other spoil place ... so at least from 7.5 hours it would be 9 hours ...

BTW and as you know (or should know) there are some mats which should be spoiled in amount of 1-3, well here it is allways 1 ! ... so don't say that you have mats for an S weapon in like 3-4 hours .. maybe in your dreams ..

varnishes, cbp - only from drop we have 3k+ of them
about mats 1-3 always 1, some mobs still give 1-3 amount from spoil
and dont forget u can do quests and spoil at the same time.....

i think all this is matter of organization and some basic knowledge about quests/drops/spoils
sometimes finding a mob with the highest spoil chance by using drop calculator is not the best solution to get ur mats fast, sometimes u must use ur brain also, this way even ppl on official have planty of mats while others cry about it...

we made 2 S sets, 3 S weapons and a lot of other not needed S items and somehow we didnt have to cry about mats...

and btw SOLO it will always take a lot of time

[Mercenary]

varnishes, cbp - only from drop we have 3k+ of them
about mats 1-3 always 1, some mobs still give 1-3 amount from spoil
and dont forget u can do quests and spoil at the same time.....

i think all this is matter of organization and some basic knowledge about quests/drops/spoils
sometimes finding a mob with the highest spoil chance by using drop calculator is not the best solution to get ur mats fast, sometimes u must use ur brain also, this way even ppl on official have planty of mats while others cry about it...

we made 2 S sets, 3 S weapons and a lot of other not needed S items and somehow we didnt have to cry about mats...

and btw SOLO it will always take a lot of time

ok, i agree with you in most of your points ... but for example i don't quite know any mats quest .. yes this is my 'problem' or 'my lack of knowledge' ... but cannot really find any site with all Gracia Final quest listing ;/

[Rozjebunda]

varnishes, cbp - only from drop we have 3k+ of them
about mats 1-3 always 1, some mobs still give 1-3 amount from spoil
and dont forget u can do quests and spoil at the same time.....

i think all this is matter of organization and some basic knowledge about quests/drops/spoils
sometimes finding a mob with the highest spoil chance by using drop calculator is not the best solution to get ur mats fast, sometimes u must use ur brain also, this way even ppl on official have planty of mats while others cry about it...

we made 2 S sets, 3 S weapons and a lot of other not needed S items and somehow we didnt have to cry about mats...

and btw SOLO it will always take a lot of time

ok, i agree with you in most of your points ... but for example i don't quite know any mats quest .. yes this is my 'problem' or 'my lack of knowledge' ... but cannot really find any site with all Gracia Final quest listing ;/

this should be helpful:

http://l2vault.ign.com/View.php?view=guides.list&category_show_all=1

[baho]

http://www.graciafinal.com/ this site belongs to this server and it has both the drop list and the quests. Check em out

[Aurakk]

http://www.graciafinal.com/ this site belongs to this server and it has both the drop list and the quests. Check em out

it doesnt have skill list for kamaels 

[lawlbot]

This spoil rate is only good for porta room (great place also if you want dorf pvp and drama) and mobs that drop mats in stacks.

Make basic mats 5x with 1x chance, from experience it was much better for spoilers that way and leave the rest the same. I had about 100+ SOP and CBP (cata) easily with an hour of spoiling with crappy gears and  no party back then. And economy wasn't a mess.

[Elisha]

This spoil rate is only good for porta room (great place also if you want dorf pvp and drama) and mobs that drop mats in stacks.

Make basic mats 5x with 1x chance, from experience it was much better for spoilers that way and leave the rest the same. I had about 100+ SOP and CBP (cata) easily with an hour of spoiling with crappy gears and  no party back then. And economy wasn't a mess.

haha dorfies dealing with others in porta room, thats funny