New trade rules poll

[Rozjebunda]

if there wont be any universal trade zone like previous poster mentioned, ppl will have to set more shops what completely misses the point of decreasing bandwidth usage

Michael wasnt talking about bandwidth of server, but bandwidth of some clients.
I have a little weird experience from one server about disconecting in overcrowded Giran. The solution wasnt to pay for faster   internet connection, but to download the NetLimiter and decrease the connection speed to some really ridiculous value like 5kbps and it really worked

i was talking about clients too, what eats more dandwidth - 1 client in giran or 3 clients in 3 different towns?

[urug]

i was talking about clients too, what eats more dandwidth - 1 client in giran or 3 clients in 3 different towns?

If youre really talking about clients it eats the same amount of bandwidth, because the server doesnt send you data from 3 differend towns at the same time, only from the one where you actually are.

[piot]

i dont like the idea but if you really have to change something fantasy isle > MDT since at MDT there is no space

[Rozjebunda]

i was talking about clients too, what eats more dandwidth - 1 client in giran or 3 clients in 3 different towns?

If youre really talking about clients it eats the same amount of bandwidth, because the server doesnt send you data from 3 differend towns at the same time, only from the one where you actually are.

so u want to tell me if i run 3 game clients and put shops in 3 different towns, only 1 client will receive data from server? seriously something is pretty weird in this........

[urug]

so u want to tell me if i run 3 game clients and put shops in 3 different towns, only 1 client will receive data from server? seriously something is pretty weird in this........

Omg of course not, but do you really thing that anybody has problem with three running trade bots?
And my previous post doesnt implicate what you are saying. I clearly said that one client receives the data only from location where is located. If someone has so low bandwitdh then he naturally cant log in three accounts, there isnt any help for him.  
I hope we are talking about people who need to go throught the towns or buy the things, who have to wait ages than other people and NPCs load, not about ability to login traders.

[Rozjebunda]

so u want to tell me if i run 3 game clients and put shops in 3 different towns, only 1 client will receive data from server? seriously something is pretty weird in this........

Omg of course not, but do you really thing that anybody has problem with three running trade bots?
And my previous post doesnt implicate what you are saying. I clearly said that one client receives the data only from location where is located. If someone has so low bandwitdh then he naturally cant log in three accounts, there isnt any help for him.  
I hope we are talking about people who need to go throught the towns or buy the things, who have to wait ages than other people and NPCs load, not about ability to login traders.

k now go and read michaelv's post and tell it to me again pls

[Rufgaudas]

First of all, this will happen. Only difference is how it will happen. If you think this trade rules are not good, please make a post and tell us what would it make them better.

And the new rules:
1. Soul/spirit shots, crystals, scrolls and potions may be sold/purchased only in Dion.
2. Resources, key materials, recipes and AA/seal stones sell/purchase only in Oren.
3. All other items may be sold/purchased in any other town.
4. Everything may be sold/purchased at MDT <- universal trade spot.
5. For trading in inappropriate places, chars will be moved out of towns or kicked out of game.

Poll will run for 5 days. Keep out the flames and the spam. Post your opinions with well thought out arguments.

1. Shots, cristals, potions should go to MDT: easy to get there using GK from all towns. To make TP from goddard to dion costs some money
2. Full items should go to oren.
3. Key materials\recipes should go to aden
4. Materials (SOP, CBP, so on) + crafters should go to giran.
oren\aden\giran is easy towns to reach.
This system would make some things much easier.
Problem is, if i want to sell CBP, SSD, DC boots and DB shafts in one store.

[scorpi]

Manufactures only in aden just sux.. If you wanna to craft something u always look at manu what items left and if you need something u can buy mats at once, But now u have to travel from giran to aden.

[MichaelV]

How about this idea, what if we make Fantasy Island the main trade area where every kind of sell/buy/craft shop is permitted and in towns we only allow the most common shops that are used most often? Like shots, potions, crafting ... It's easy to get in fantasy island and free and those with limited bandwidth connections and weak pc's won't have to endure this in every major town, only when they're forced to go there. If u think the idea is not good, tell me why and how can we improve it.
This is the best i can come up with for now.

[Slush ✿◕ ‿ ◕✿]

Or you could just leave it as it is.

[Guardian]

Or you could just leave it as it is.

+ 9000 for this one

[atke]

A suggestion

Admins can implement that u cant open a shop within a 25 distance of any other shops, meaning u will have less shops per area, so it will be easier to load the whole town

categorizing shops this way is not so practical in everyday use IMO, plus players act like prom queens

but there is no need to drama if these rules go "live" , u guys dont have to RUN to dion for shots, u can use GK options

[urug]

How about this idea, what if we make Fantasy Island the main trade area where every kind of sell/buy/craft shop is permitted and in towns we only allow the most common shops that are used most often? Like shots, potions, crafting ... It's easy to get in fantasy island and free and those with limited bandwidth connections and weak pc's won't have to endure this in every major town, only when they're forced to go there. If u think the idea is not good, tell me why and how can we improve it.
This is the best i can come up with for now.

If you want to earn money, will you create private store at some town or at main trade area? So the question: Will there any crafters/sellers at towns? And if they will, the weak PC's customer probably will have to try more than one town until find any or what they needed.
I daresay they will practically forced to go to FI all the time.

Nevertheless I am for your suggestion. Its not possible to shorten load time or lower bandwidth if you want to go shopping. Market means a lot of people, doesnt matter how you solve that. Of course you can spread the people all over the world and  there will be no market, which doesnt solve anything. If someones connection or HW doesnt fulfil minimal requirements of some game he cant simply play it or he has to count that will be limited in some way.
The important thing is to make the game playable if you do not want to go shopping.

And the last but not least if you will block private craft/stores in towns make excepcions inside of CHs for obvious reasons.

[Kebulik]

1. Soul/spirit shots, crystals, scrolls and potions may be sold/purchased only in Dion.
2. Resources, key materials, recipes and AA/seal stones sell/purchase only in Oren.

-> Giran near Taurin

3. All other items may be sold/purchased in any other town.

-> Giran centrer square

[iRock]

Or you could just leave it as it is.

QFT this rules are a terribad idea

[MichaelV]

From now on who ever posts raging, using curse words and not do not have arguments for their opinion will get a 1 week ban. Enough is enough.
I asked you kindly to read and UNDERSTAND what the problem is, then give us your solution to it. You don't have one? Then please keep your mouth (i.e. fingers) closed.

[ve3k]

And the new rules:
1. Soul/spirit shots, crystals, scrolls and potions may be sold/purchased only in Dion.
very bad idea, this should be sell-able in every town because it is most common resource that ppl are shopping for

2. Resources, key materials, recipes and AA/seal stones sell/purchase only in Oren.
make it giran and full/common items only sell-able in aden

4. Everything may be sold/purchased at MDT <- universal trade spot.
very bad idea, mdt will have 500-600 traders on 1 spot

5. For trading in inappropriate places, chars will be moved out of towns or kicked out of game.
good idea

[jangi]

And the new rules:
1. Soul/spirit shots, crystals, scrolls and potions may be sold/purchased only in Dion.
very bad idea, this should be sell-able in every town because it is most common resource that ppl are shopping for

2. Resources, key materials, recipes and AA/seal stones sell/purchase only in Oren.
make it giran and full/common items only sell-able in aden

4. Everything may be sold/purchased at MDT <- universal trade spot.
very bad idea, mdt will have 500-600 traders on 1 spot

5. For trading in inappropriate places, chars will be moved out of towns or kicked out of game.
good idea

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[Kamillo]

A suggestion

Admins can implement that u cant open a shop within a 25 distance of any other shops, meaning u will have less shops per area, so it will be easier to load the whole town

I think that is the best idea to split sellers. If it is not enough u can increase distance.
If u won't find place for ur shop u would go to another town. 

[asynja]

First of all, this will happen. Only difference is how it will happen. If you think this trade rules are not good, please make a post and tell us what would it make them better.

And the new rules:
1. Soul/spirit shots, crystals, scrolls and potions may be sold/purchased only in Dion.
2. Resources, key materials, recipes and AA/seal stones sell/purchase only in Oren.
3. All other items may be sold/purchased in any other town.
4. Everything may be sold/purchased at MDT <- universal trade spot.
5. For trading in inappropriate places, chars will be moved out of towns or kicked out of game.

Poll will run for 5 days. Keep out the flames and the spam. Post your opinions with well thought out arguments.

one word: RIDICULOUS.
it's not nice spending half day on porting from town to town to buy 3 things LOL unless you buy me a good machine and i can port in 1 second ok?

YES for trade zones-this should be done instead of blocking manufacture in giran. No shops near GK, WH, pathways - it's obvious.

[Blitzz]

I don´t agree to this rules either, Giran&Aden should remain as main trade cities without any sort of division.

My suggestion (giran only):
- All Buy shops (and Craft ofc) near Taurin. This should minimize the amount of people near Giran GK, and as most of us can see, Taurin is almost out of shops. Plus, combining Taurin with Buy-shops would help trades a lot.

[Rufgaudas]

maybe we don't need all those zones, but what we need, is " good shop names" .
Now i come to girane and i see shop names:
1. some are good: "sop, cbp, ma", " BOP, DC parts", "ssa,bssa,ssc" and so on.
2. some are 1/2 good: "parts", "mats" , "full items", "shots".
3. bad names: "very cheap come!!!", "aaaaaaaaaaa", "everything you need" and so on.
i hope you understand what i want to say .

[crior]

the best solution would be, to just get rid of this stupid tradebot and dont allow dualbox.

just think about it, you wouldnt have this awfully annoying spam in every city, ppl would only set shops when they're afk -> less shops -> less spam

well you dont have to get rid of the dualbox neccessarily but at least removing the trade bot would improve things a lot.




/win

[KnGhtmRe]

stupid idea. just make a big no-shop zone around the GK. this will allow ppl who just pass though town to use a lot less bandwidth. the ones that come to shop/look around will have to load all the shop no matter where they are.

dividing the shops will not only increase time AND bandwidth usage (since if they have to buy more than one thing they have to load multiple towns), but it will also fuck up the economy (divided shops areas => less competition)


eg for the no-shop zone:
- in goddard, the whole stair case
- in aden, in front of the temple, the stairs in front, around the temple and the smaller stairs there, the road to monument, etc
- giran, the area between the temple and the walls (on the side). in front, make a no shop zone between church entrance and the (imaginary) line made by the hero monument and manor's wagon.


pictures: Giran  Goddard

EDIT: added pictures

[socket]

And the new rules:
1. Soul/spirit shots, crystals, scrolls and potions may be sold/purchased only in Dion.
2. Resources, key materials, recipes and AA/seal stones sell/purchase only in Oren.
3. All other items may be sold/purchased in any other town.
4. Everything may be sold/purchased at MDT <- universal trade spot.
5. For trading in inappropriate places, chars will be moved out of towns or kicked out of game.

1. really bad idea, this must be in every town. (bishop need spirit ore, and he will be port from rune to dion?).
2. as in 1., bad idea.
4. make only ONE trade zone, now are two main trade zones - Giran+Aden. It is so bad because ppl must port if they want buy something that is not in one of this towns (some1 selling SOP only in giran etc.)
I think best place will be one town (aden/giran) or make new trade zone in giran harbor. Giran harbor is large and every1 who want sell/buy can sit there.
5. good idea.