New trade rules poll

[Guardian]

This idea is really bad it's gives a look like an ordinary l2j server and we don't want that look about crappy pc's if you have crappy pc you should considering of playing runescape or something like that

[gw44tt]

New trade zones won't allow shops near gk. Read my previous post, why it's being done.
This is somewhat useful for buyers too, it's easier to find what your looking for.

;x

[n0click]

Michael i have a better ideea

1. Giran and Aden main towns for trades (sell,craft)
2. We all know place near Taurin is the oldest and best place for Craft Shops ( since l2 started )
3. Giran can have Place near Collob Only for Shots sellers , and the main area for Selling items ( or place near monument only for shots sellers)
4. Aden can have half for shots sellers , other half for items sale ( or half sell half buy items)
5. since main mats spoils comes from goddard and rune areas , one of them can have a big area for BUY SHOPS , and all other town can have an small small area for shots sellers , MDT is free for all

[vaurk]

ADD port to the Giran harbour from all GKs and move traders there.

From what i understood, this is being done for people with less powerful pc's and net connections with limited bandwidth available. If we move all shops there nothing would be changed. Admin wants to even out the shops across more places (towns/mdt/ w.e else).
So, if u have a better idea on how to do this, please post it.

lol what? let's also limit sieges to 50 ppl max cuz some people have crappy comp and crappy connections please.

since it's a poll and i m supposed to give my opinion on that rule here it is : it's the shittiest rule i've ever seen.

if ppl have bad comps and can't handle 100 shops it's their own problem, why would you annoy everyone else who has no prob with 100+ shops with such rule ?

[Tomasi]

This is the best what we have now. Dont change trade rules. I dont wanna tp to mdt or dion to buy shot/eaa/potion if i did soe at goddard territory and i need immediatly shot...

[MichaelV]

Oh, my dear crybabies, how i like to chat with u guys : )
This rule wasn't my idea. But anyway, sieges are once per 2 weeks, u travel through giran a lot more often. And from what i understood in Russia there's a lot of limited bandwidth connections. Passing through giran eats a lot of bw.
Maybe russian players complained about this in ru forum, probably.
Would it be the end of the world to make something like this? Not exactly like i said in first post, it's a possibility. I've seen a good idea about Fantasy Island, that's even better then giran, since u reach it faster and cheaper from any town. Just give your solutions to this problem, just crying about it won't change anything.

[n0click]

Oh, my dear crybabies, how i like to chat with u guys : )
This rule wasn't my idea. But anyway, sieges are once per 2 weeks, u travel through giran a lot more often. And from what i understood in Russia there's a lot of limited bandwidth connections. Passing through giran eats a lot of bw.
Maybe russian players complained about this in ru forum, probably.
Would it be the end of the world to make something like this? Not exactly like i said in first post, it's a possibility. I've seen a good idea about Fantasy Island, that's even better then giran, since u reach it faster and cheaper from any town. Just give your solutions to this problem, just crying about it won't change anything.

read what i wrote is better than their ideea's

[pardi]

imho...








leave this idea.

[Sky23]

big - for idea dont need this.

[pardi]

shots + private craft on mdt its good idea rest imho sux.

[m44ti]

i think that the good idea will be that there will be selling/buying any items only in fantasy isle. There is very big area and very nice to see and its not laging there

so:
-tp for free from any town
-very big area
-nice look area
-not lagging area
-we will be able to eassy find smth like mats full items recipes for good price cuz there will be only in one place
-all towns will be free from fps clients lags so it will be eassy to tp any where
-fantasy isle is very lonely place so it will be good to roll it up
-all towns will be free from chats bots.... who very wierd spaming all the time....
-fantasy isle is a very big place so its very good for trades
-this place is always enable cuz there is not sieges time so u can go there any time u want

hmm 10 +'s
i think its very good idea cuz it roll up our community and make eassy to all players



sry for low eng

[morfeus]

so.....if i wanna sell  two things like draconic bow and AA what should i do? set shop 1 day to sell DB and the next one another shop in another town to sell AA? 

[Sirius92]

That makes no sense because if they do not want to get lagged they can skip porting to Giran, they can also create a Dwarf and leave it there forever so they won't have to port back everytime they want to check Giran. Giran it's the comercial main city and it should stay as it.

[rimortis]

1 thing.
ppl with slow connections or weak pc's take ages to load ppl on crowded places. i have a wooden pc if i am in giran it takes 10 seconds max to load gk and i can leave but it takes 2-3 mins to load at least half of the shops. now if i imagine ALL shops will be in one place it'll take 10 mins to get something for half reasonable price cause of location loading. i find that very helpful and saving my time.. oh wait.
just make zones that's all u need. or write a guide how to optimize performance for ppl with slow net/wooden pc. do not even think about limiting where to shop.
this is not about being crybabies, there was no warning, no question up front and sounds kinda ridiculous.

[MichaelV]

this is not about being crybabies, there was no warning, no question up front and sounds kinda ridiculous.

Why do you think this poll is here?
And the idea is to spread the shops across MORE places, not crowd them all in one place. For ppl with weaker pcs but more specially, for ppl with limited bandwidth available monthly. I didn't knew such connections still exist, in my country they are extinct loooong ago : ), but it seems in Russia they are quite common.
So, keep giving your idea about the situation.

[rimortis]

well in any case, shots, mats and basic stuff should be available in every town imo.
it's helping newbies and ppl who leech off them
i just don't like the general idea, maybe make more limited shop zones so they don't necessarily load while u are around gk (so basically only town square and maybe taurin and the other wh keepers in giran). limiting what u can sell doesn't seem like a good idea to a lot of ppl.
also i can post it here, please allow private creation at least in giran ch's i don't like going to mdt/aden or somewhere everytime someone needs elixirs or anything like that. also i think having shots craft or mats craft in ch where mp regeneration is higher and clan generally gathers is sorta more useful then running away like refugees everytime we want to craft something. it sorta kills one of the main advantages of having ch when u have it in giran.

[Rozjebunda]

this is not about being crybabies, there was no warning, no question up front and sounds kinda ridiculous.

Why do you think this poll is here?
And the idea is to spread the shops across MORE places, not crowd them all in one place. For ppl with weaker pcs but more specially, for ppl with limited bandwidth available monthly. I didn't knew such connections still exist, in my country they are extinct loooong ago : ), but it seems in Russia they are quite common.
So, keep giving your idea about the situation.

ok so my question is:

like it was mentioned b4, what if i want to sell Draco Bow, AA and Shots? I will have to set 3 different shops in 3 different towns? dont u think its at least stupid? 3 clients instead of 1 - u call it improving performance?

[MichaelV]

ok so my question is:

like it was mentioned b4, what if i want to sell Draco Bow, AA and Shots? I will have to set 3 different shops in 3 different towns? dont u think its at least stupid? 3 clients instead of 1 - u call it improving performance?

U can either log 3 trade bots, or just one and set it in MDT (or w/e zone we will decide to be a universal trade zone).

[n0click]

this is not about being crybabies, there was no warning, no question up front and sounds kinda ridiculous.

Why do you think this poll is here?
And the idea is to spread the shops across MORE places, not crowd them all in one place. For ppl with weaker pcs but more specially, for ppl with limited bandwidth available monthly. I didn't knew such connections still exist, in my country they are extinct loooong ago : ), but it seems in Russia they are quite common.
So, keep giving your idea about the situation.

in rusia they pay 65 $ for 256 k connection rofl , and my band is 100 mb for 9 euro D:

[Rozjebunda]

ok so my question is:

like it was mentioned b4, what if i want to sell Draco Bow, AA and Shots? I will have to set 3 different shops in 3 different towns? dont u think its at least stupid? 3 clients instead of 1 - u call it improving performance?

U can either log 3 trade bots, or just one and set it in MDT (or w/e zone we will decide to be a universal trade zone).

so same way i will have to go to 3 different places if i want to buy shots, some mats etc?
the result will be: every1 will set shop ONLY in universal trade zone, this way even like u suggested DION wont have shops with shots bcuz everything will be again ONLY in universal trade area...
u wont spread the shops this way, just move them to new area (the universal one)

[urug]

I like the idea of dividing shops acording to goods, but to make it really useful you should:

1) Make ONLY ONE place for "one" (group) type of good. No universal places such as MDT.
Reasons:
a)Why its divided if I still have to teleport to more places to find something or to compare the prices.
b)If you make universal place, everybody will use it as the main trade zone and the whole idea is gone.

2) Make these trade zones at SPECIAL PLACES, which are available from EVERY GK for free. You can use the existing ones (for ex. I like the idea of Fantasy Island) or create a new ones at normally unreachable places and dont forget to add WH and Grocery to these places. (these places are usually one huge flat area with one texture = nothing to load for users with slow PCs)
If you do so, it makes also teleporting times shorter, you dont have to wait for GK in towns and so on.

3)If you let it in towns:
a) Use towns which has huge, spacious, well arranged areas close to GK (imagine Giran). I really dont like Dion, where you have to run XY meters from GK. I want to teleport in, see what i need, click it  and teleport out. Only advatage of Dion is it has the nearest Grocery from trade spot. (maybe it was intention, dont know)
b) One of these places should be in Giran. Giran was always the main trade center and maybe some clans were calculating with that fact when they were bidding their CHs.

At last we should realize the NEGATIVES of dividing stores:
a)You cant sell/buy more differend things at the same time (it will lead to creating more chars per person only for sitting at three or four differend places, which also means higher load for server)
b)The magic of markets, when you are just going around the traders and watching if there isnt something interesting without clear itention is gone.

[MichaelV]

so same way i will have to go to 3 different places if i want to buy shots, some mats etc?
the result will be: every1 will set shop ONLY in universal trade zone, this way even like u suggested DION wont have shops with shots bcuz everything will be again ONLY in universal trade area...
u wont spread the shops this way, just move them to new area (the universal one)

Then give us ur idea, how could we make this work? Take example from the post above mine.

[Rozjebunda]

so same way i will have to go to 3 different places if i want to buy shots, some mats etc?
the result will be: every1 will set shop ONLY in universal trade zone, this way even like u suggested DION wont have shops with shots bcuz everything will be again ONLY in universal trade area...
u wont spread the shops this way, just move them to new area (the universal one)

Then give us ur idea, how could we make this work? Take example from the post above mine.

simply it wont work

u will simply move the market to universal area - pointless

if there wont be any universal trade zone like previous poster mentioned, ppl will have to set more shops what completely misses the point of decreasing bandwidth usage

u can encourage ppl to sell shots in mdt/fi but u cant force them to do that bcuz they will find a way around....

[urug]

if there wont be any universal trade zone like previous poster mentioned, ppl will have to set more shops what completely misses the point of decreasing bandwidth usage

Michael wasnt talking about bandwidth of server, but bandwidth of some clients.
I have a little weird experience from one server about disconecting in overcrowded Giran. The solution wasnt to pay for faster   internet connection, but to download the NetLimiter and decrease the connection speed to some really ridiculous value like 5kbps and it really worked

[n0click]

why dont u buy some rams and a good vieo card , because the load shops is based on the video card texture loading , for example my old PC with 1 gb ram and 128 mb on video card needs 5 mins to load all shops , with 4 gb rams and 512 mb dd3 on video card shops are 10 % loaded after port 20-30 secs later all UP