About Checking Logs

[Izlude]

I'd love to know how you people propose to do this. I'd love to know how you propose to track:

* Exploits through quests. People who knew what they were doing and got recipes, adena, mats, you name it, over and over again.

* Exploits through overenchantment of skills. This ought to be fun to check, I'm pretty sure there's no way to check to see who upped their skill legitly and who upped their skill through exploit considering according to the server, the requirement of EXP/SP and 1x Giant's Codex was always met for both occasions.

* Exploits through crafting. You can bullshit us and say how crafting that S grade 2-3x over without fail (due to how many attempts you get with that lag) isn't a big deal, but you're going to have people-a-plenty bitching when Olympiad starts kicking up this month and most of the Heroes are also the exploiters. That's a pretty good way to land an early foothold in the server, totally not a big deal though!

* Exploits through Subclass Skill Certificates. I'd HOPE that deep down inside the Administration isn't so full of bumbling dumbasses that this could slip through the cracks, but then I'm not sure what the L2 code looks like and with how the Administration has been handling things around here, I wouldn't be surprised if people run into the occasional foe sporting 5-6 subclass skills that nobody but himself can really prove he actually has.

* Rapid influx of economy due to exploits. This is officially whoever cheated, wins. If you didn't exploit and didn't get that 1kkk+ adena with several S grade rec's and all the time in the world to abuse things to hell and back, you're at such an unfair disadvantage that you might as well not even bother to face such people in open PVP because with how early the server is, that kind of cash can buy practically everything.



So, how do you propose to nail it all? I'm dying to know, especially with MichaelV saying "I doubt everyone will get caught, but even if only half do, it'll be okay". There was maximim players online throughout the lag days as if nobody even cared to log out, so if you busted 1000 exploiters, 200 of which exploited seriously, it's OK to have 1000 other exploiters, 200 of which exploited seriously, running rampant on the server.

Players nearly unanimously requested and demanded for a rollback to completely fix these issues. We did this knowing our own losses would be somewhat severe. Still, the Administration said, oh what? The community wants something around here? Well then, we won't do what they ask.


Server's fucking broke, Michael. How do you propose to get your team to fix it COMPLETELY and not half-ass? After-all, wasn't that the promise of checking logs? To fix EVERYTHING?

Lie to me.


And I would much prefer it if you didn't delete this topic, close it, or put it into the Flame section. It may be a little bit bold and arrogant in some areas, but it's still a legitimate topic.

[Buxanto]

what?

[MichaelV]

Server's fucking broke, Michael. How do you propose to get your team to fix it COMPLETELY and not half-ass? After-all, wasn't that the promise of checking logs? To fix EVERYTHING?

What? "My" team? Dude ...

There's only one person that can give u the answer, the admin. And i don't think he will do it, he has no reason to explain to u or anyone how he will check the logs >.>
You'll have to live with it, the way it's going to be fixed, half-ass as u say, or not.

[Volume]

* Exploits through quests. People who knew what they were doing and got recipes, adena, mats, you name it, over and over again.

- If major quest abuse aka things like huge exp + rare items (BoGs, S Recs, etc) were gained, these should be maintained hard
- If possible accidentaly quest abuse arose such as 2 items from subclass and other such useless items were gained, these can be ignored

* Exploits through overenchantment of skills. This ought to be fun to check, I'm pretty sure there's no way to check to see who upped their skill legitly and who upped their skill through exploit considering according to the server, the requirement of EXP/SP and 1x Giant's Codex was always met for both occasions.

- Anyone with more than 5 enchanted skills when it's pretty clear this isn't possible unless a character pooled together BoGs from a whole guild, this should be cracked down on.
- Anyone with more than +6 should be checked on to see if this was legitly gained or not (if this is possible)
- Anything else should be cracked down on if possible, if it's not then minor abuses will have to be ignored.

* Exploits through crafting. You can bullshit us and say how crafting that S grade 2-3x over without fail (due to how many attempts you get with that lag) isn't a big deal, but you're going to have people-a-plenty bitching when Olympiad starts kicking up this month and most of the Heroes are also the exploiters. That's a pretty good way to land an early foothold in the server, totally not a big deal though!

- I don't think crafting was ever an issue as item lag meant you didn't RECEIVE the craft until you GAVE the items for craft, but if this was ever abused it should be cracked down on.

* Exploits through Subclass Skill Certificates. I'd HOPE that deep down inside the Administration isn't so full of bumbling dumbasses that this could slip through the cracks, but then I'm not sure what the L2 code looks like and with how the Administration has been handling things around here, I wouldn't be surprised if people run into the occasional foe sporting 5-6 subclass skills that nobody but himself can really prove he actually has.

- Pretty sure this isn't possible in general game code, aka you physicially can't have more than one subskill ceritifcate, but I guess this should be checked also.

* Rapid influx of economy due to exploits. This is officially whoever cheated, wins. If you didn't exploit and didn't get that 1kkk+ adena with several S grade rec's and all the time in the world to abuse things to hell and back, you're at such an unfair disadvantage that you might as well not even bother to face such people in open PVP because with how early the server is, that kind of cash can buy practically everything.

- These monetary gains were obviously gained through high adena quest rewards, anyone with ridiculously high adena amounts should be checked rigorously.

N.B. Anyone banned should have their exploits COMPLETELY removed, this way if they pay to have their character unbanned they still do not have their major advantage. Alternatively make it so people who majorly abused are not allowed to donate to retrieve their character.

[aYotech]

help yourself randoms

[Tarpan]

more drama

[Volume]

help yourself randoms

xPloit

[Sirius92]

help yourself randoms

Duped Kleenex!

[aYotech]

duped common tallum blade

sOn

[Tomasi]

U are just making better and better ideas about xploiting... and mb no1 did it XD

[nab]

I was trying to pull a tissue but nothing happened, so i kept pulling. Then all of a sudden I got 5 tissues

[BackfromDead]

fucking dupper :/

[Arris]

* Exploits through Subclass Skill Certificates. I'd HOPE that deep down inside the Administration isn't so full of bumbling dumbasses that this could slip through the cracks, but then I'm not sure what the L2 code looks like and with how the Administration has been handling things around here, I wouldn't be surprised if people run into the occasional foe sporting 5-6 subclass skills that nobody but himself can really prove he actually has.

- Pretty sure this isn't possible in general game code, aka you physicially can't have more than one subskill ceritifcate, but I guess this should be checked also.

Possible. Already reported xxx times on x30 but in diference to this server, there all other clans denied existence of this exploit. In the end on x30 it was ignored and i knew ppl who had for example:

6 lvl of p.atk from subclass
6 lvl of p.def from subclass
6 lvl of m.def from subclass

(To say clearly: they got 18 books from subclasses).

The same was with skill enchanting, abusing q.items etc. etc. I still think that many of overenchanted skills (like 20+) were made mostly this way (mastery books exploit).
I hope it wil be handled differently on x5 (even though i don't play there and don't plan to) but honestly... i doubt it.

[Y0yOy0]

Server's fucking broke, Michael. How do you propose to get your team to fix it COMPLETELY and not half-ass? After-all, wasn't that the promise of checking logs? To fix EVERYTHING?

What? "My" team? Dude ...

There's only one person that can give u the answer, the admin. And i don't think he will do it, he has no reason to explain to u or anyone how he will check the logs >.>
You'll have to live with it, the way it's going to be fixed, half-ass as u say, or not.

Why don't u just close the entire forum? Whats the use of a forum if the admins "have no reason to explain and answer the users of the forums"? And why do you say "you will have to live with it" in every single thread? How many things do we have to live with?

[hello]

what do you expect him to say when 90% of the posts made on these forums are pure tears?

[MichaelV]

Why don't u just close the entire forum? Whats the use of a forum if the admins "have no reason to explain and answer the users of the forums"? And why do you say "you will have to live with it" in every single thread? How many things do we have to live with?

I really don't understand some people on this boards ... I understand your upset and mad after last week but try to control yourself a little before opening your mouth.

Ok, let's see. I've only said that admin has no reason to explain in one issue: "HOW he will check the db". Can you tell me one single reason in the world why he should waste time explaining this? If u really want to know google 'databases' and read some basic stuff about them, then u'll understand a little better 'how' he will check 'em ...
And why close all forum? Do you have the impression that the forum is here just for admin to come and post his daily stuff regarding the server?
A few posts != every single thread. You have to live with a lot of things, for example thousands of innocent people dieing every day or more directly related to you, the recent problem of rpg club server. If u can't take the sh1t that's comin' ur way in this stupid thing we call life, there's only one solution for you:


Never seen a community that complains as much as this. Every single day there has to be at least one thing to complain about, no matter how important or unimportant it is. And bad stuff like this happens everywhere ...

[fragmaa]

buthurt ppl fosho

[pokemontrainer]

Never seen a community that complains as much as this. Every single day there has to be at least one thing to complain about, no matter how important or unimportant it is. And bad stuff like this happens everywhere ...

same as i never seen such server before, where the communication was on such low lvl

[MichaelV]

Never seen a community that complains as much as this. Every single day there has to be at least one thing to complain about, no matter how important or unimportant it is. And bad stuff like this happens everywhere ...

same as i never seen such server before, where the communication was on such low lvl

Agree

[rimortis]

Never seen a community that complains as much as this. Every single day there has to be at least one thing to complain about, no matter how important or unimportant it is. And bad stuff like this happens everywhere ...

big part of this community came from azure, they are used to bitching and complaining about basically anything all the time (at least they did on azure) so no wonder. also notice that once gm/admin team settles something ppl were crying about, only 2 or 3 of them say thanks, rest just moves on and starts bitching about something else fluently.
i'm glad the admins are working on solving the situation the way they find best (and i personally think wipe or long rollback would have more ppl quit than the way they went for in the end), doesn't seem that many ppl are upset enough to leave as they claim here on forum. as long as names appear on banlist all will be fine.

[Eze]

I think soon will Micheal cut his head off from all that bitching lol

[Izlude]

Yes, let's all suddenly jump up and say that the exploiting problem wasn't really a "problem" to begin with!

Yeah, I feel you guys. Lovin' dem exploits. I eat them up. Nom nom nom.


Now let's get real here. If this was really such a petty issue as you all seem to be suddenly making it out, then nobody would've cared when it was all going on. Funny how that works though, forums hate me so bad that when I ask for GM's to at least give us all a little bit of insight, I get lynched. Best part is, if the GM's do actually do their job well, a lot of your clan mates are probably going to get banned. This goes for pretty much every clan. Addiction / Genocide isn't an exceptioin.

[elrikit]

Lets make some maths...

Take a top clan, XXX. Lets say it has 60 members. Since its a top clan, most members will get to know how to dupe, and if they dont they will get the info from some other clan members. That means some of their members will use the advantage to make some serious exploit... i say that 30% seems like a fair percentage. That is: 18 members seriously exploited.

If the admins accomplish what they said (banning half of the cheaters), 9 members of a top clan would be banned, who probably would be some of the most active clan members. Personally, i think thats enough to make a factor clan stop being factor... i bet any clan leader will agree that getting gear isnt as hard as getting active and pro players.

Conlusions, imho:
- If some random exploited and didnt get punished, it wont be noticeable in server.
- If a whole clan exploited and didnt get punished, server is ruined.
- If a whole clan exploited and half of his members got banned, that clan is pretty much dead. So it wont ruin the server either.

If admins can do what they stated, i think we will be fine... not great but good enough for me.

[mek]

Never seen a community that complains as much as this. Every single day there has to be at least one thing to complain about, no matter how important or unimportant it is. And bad stuff like this happens everywhere ...

That's a good attitude for a "community manager"...

[Jacky]

Never seen a community that complains as much as this. Every single day there has to be at least one thing to complain about, no matter how important or unimportant it is. And bad stuff like this happens everywhere ...

That's a good attitude for a "community manager"...

That's mekora mah boy