Valakas2

[CJ2000]

Since you instantly close topics, I'm forced to make another one to elaborate on the last one.

Ok, great, it's bannable to ledge at Valakas, however what if the perpetrators don't get caught?  What if Valakas dies in the next week and the GMs don't see the clan that kills it?

Are you going to assume it was done legit, because you're crazy if that is the case.

[MichaelV]

And what do u propose? To dedicate my life to watch out for Valakas not being killed like that? If anyone has the ballz to try it, let them. But don't come crying here when ur banned.

Edit: and i closed it because answer was given, further discussion is irrelevant, just like this one. But i'll let it open for a few more hours so u can get all the rage out of u, wouldn't be nice to leave u all bottled up like that.

Edit2: i'll talk with admin about that first Valakas killed but i don't think anything will be done without proof, wouldn't be fair towards them (although it's obvious they killed it like this).

[wakii]

And what do u propose?

make valakas not available for 1 or 2 months (remove Klein npc or somthing like that) or just dump the rule so every one can pvp for it and kill whatever way they want.

[nab]

As far as I know Valakas has never been defeated legitimately in the history of the 30x and 5x. Changing the rules now is retarded.

[MichaelV]

And what do u propose?

make valakas not available for 1 or 2 months (remove Klein npc or somthing like that) or just dump the rule so every one can pvp for it and kill whatever way they want.

NO!
If your willing to go and exploit it, be my guest, please do. Don't come crying here when ur banned.

[vaurk]

And what do u propose? To dedicate my life to watch out for Valakas not being killed like that? If anyone has the ballz to try it, let them. But don't come crying here when ur banned.

We aren't supposed to make this server fair and balanced, admins have to. Why do you ask us what to do ? If players had  control of the server we wouldn't have changed the valakas rule and we would have put the mats drop and spoil amount rates x5 three weeks ago.

Of course what we propose is dropping the rule.

If you don't agree and want to make it bannable, fine. But unless a GM always watches valakas when it is being raided, it is an unfair rule.

It's like saying the referee of a soccer match is away during the first half of the match. No, this is inconceivable.
Either the referee is always there or he is never there and players are free to do what they want. Not a mix of both.

[CJ2000]

That's the probably the most irresponsible GM response I've ever heard.

What if a clan knows there is no GM online?  And goes it takes it out in 2 hours when they know no one will see them.

Wake up, it will be killed soon, and they probably won't be caught.  Considering the lack of communication we get from this staff already, you clearly don't watch things very closely.

I agree, Klein NPC should be removed for the next month, until clans get strong enough to try it legit.  

You let it get exploited on 30x, you let it get exploited here, and they let it get exploited on retail.  BTW that ruOFF crap is untrue, they fixed the geodata so you couldn't ledge valakas, they don't ban for it, because you can't do it anymore.

So either let the game be played like it was on retail, or do your job and prevent anyone from being able to do it.

[Etic]

People used to kill Valakas from rocks in retail servers, and here in private you cant. gf.

[MichaelV]

How could any clan know if a gm is online or not? Or how could any clan be sure that a gm won't log on during the raid? Are u serious?

If you don't agree and want to make it bannable, fine. But unless a GM always watches valakas when it is being raided, it is an unfair rule.

Fine, a GM will be online every single time Valakas is raided. Happy now?

I've asked about the first Valakas killed and, surprise, it was NEVER killed until now by any clan. Valakas died only once about 2 weeks ago and it was killed by admin for testing purposes.

[Izlude]

How could any clan know if a gm is online or not? Or how could any clan be sure that a gm won't log on during the raid? Are u serious?

No, that isn't what we're expecting. We're expecting you to disable the fucking Raid Boss until people can do it LEGITLY. Don't sit here and jajaja us and say it can be killed legitly now, because I'll be the first one in line to laugh in your face.

[nab]

How could any clan know if a gm is online or not? Or how could any clan be sure that a gm won't log on during the raid? Are u serious?

If you don't agree and want to make it bannable, fine. But unless a GM always watches valakas when it is being raided, it is an unfair rule.

Fine, a GM will be online every single time Valakas is raided. Happy now?

I've asked about the first Valakas killed and, surprise, it was NEVER killed until now by any clan. Valakas died only once about 2 weeks ago and it was killed by admin for testing purposes.

Nice, thats why we were unable to raid it then?
Making suggestions is pointless btw, if in doubt just remember "$100 or gtfo"

[MichaelV]

No, that isn't what we're expecting. We're expecting you to disable the fucking Raid Boss until people can do it LEGITLY. Don't sit here and jajaja us and say it can be killed legitly now, because I'll be the first one in line to laugh in your face.

Go quote me where i said it can be killed legit!

The rule is here to stay, deal with it. Any other question before i lock this?

[RaMi]

And what do u propose? To dedicate my life to watch out for Valakas not being killed like that? If anyone has the ballz to try it, let them. But don't come crying here when ur banned.

Edit: and i closed it because answer was given, further discussion is irrelevant, just like this one. But i'll let it open for a few more hours so u can get all the rage out of u, wouldn't be nice to leave u all bottled up like that.

Edit2: i'll talk with admin about that first Valakas killed but i don't think anything will be done without proof, wouldn't be fair towards them (although it's obvious they killed it like this).

flamed by a GM, lol... It was never said its not allowed to kill valakas this way, we did it on x30 and anything was done. You never made any rule about that, but i think those rocks are there for something, so its not clear. We made our preparations, we lost our time, to be ported down to valakas by GM without any info as always.

ur customizing ur server day by day. Market is a joke already, couse of spoil rates and antibot system (antibot is a good idea, but wont help market to be stable with x1 spoil), now make us think that valakas wont be exploited coz u say so... lol...

[Izlude]

No, that isn't what we're expecting. We're expecting you to disable the fucking Raid Boss until people can do it LEGITLY. Don't sit here and jajaja us and say it can be killed legitly now, because I'll be the first one in line to laugh in your face.

Go quote me where i said it can be killed legit now!

The rule is here to stay, deal with it. Any other question before i lock this?

Yes. Why the fuck do you lock/move everything? It's inappropriate. This topic is not about Flaming, so if you move it to Flaming that's ignorant of you. This topic is about debate, you locking it is only abuse of powers.

You seem to be doing that a lot lately, by the way. Topics do not just "end" because you say they do. That's not how it works. We're clearly not satisfied with the end result of all of this, so no; the topic shouldn't be locked.

[MichaelV]

Nice, thats why we were unable to raid it then?
Making suggestions is pointless btw, if in doubt just remember "$100 or gtfo"

Seriously, are u an idiot?

MichaelV5:43 PM
players say Valakas was killed once, obviously the same way that is bannable now. Will something be done against them? Or they will keep their gained items and adena?
MichaelV5:44 PM
1-2 weeks ago
**********5:45 PM
nobody cant kill him 2 weeks ago when all was 7x levels max
i kill valakas for test in first week
MichaelV5:45 PM
ok, 1 week ago, don't exactly when. It's important that it was killed once
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MichaelV5:46 PM
are u sure no other clan killed it besides u?
*********5:46 PM
yes

Edit: sry for being rude to u, i thought u implied that i lied about it and a clan really did kill it.

Edit2:
@Rami, what exactly did i flamed there? The fact that i asked to "dedicate my life to watch Valakas"? U find this offensive?
Anyway, the fact that u killed this way on the 30x doesn't mean it should be allowed here also. Admin said short and to the subject "it's bannable, it is the same on ru off and euro off". Now, it's exactly the same here.
@Izlude, i lock and i move what needs to be locked and what needs to be moved. If u think some thread did not need to be locked or moved, message me and explain why. P.S. i wasn't the one that moved the first Valakas thread to Flames section but it was needed, and that's thanks to u cause u can't say ur opinions without flaming eachother or the staff.

[RaMi]

LF someone more responsible to state what will be done to avoid valakas beeing "exploited". ty.

MV: more 'responsible' ... if u didn't get it yet i'm not pulling decisions out of my ass, this are coming from administration. But i'll get someone more 'responsible' to give u a response.

[Sky23]

why to change it now when on x30 it got killed every time from rock?

[MichaelV]

why to change it now when on x30 it got killed every time from rock?

Why not?

[Izlude]

why to change it now when on x30 it got killed every time from rock?

Why not?

I believe you need to answer "why" first. Don't respond to a question with a question.

[CJ2000]

That's really cool that you don't tell the sever that GMs killed Valakas, only to let us wipe on it 2 times and port us out before we kill it the 3rd time.

I really appreciate the wasting of my clan's time because the staff here doesn't understand how to make things fair and let the people know what is going on.

Why don't you just keep "testing" Valakas for another  month until it can actually be killed, cause now all the raid is, who can exploit it and not get caught.  Believe me, someone will.

I find it really interesting that nothing was done on the 30x, but when big bad Genocide gets in there, rules are implemented to stop us.

Very immature and classless.

[Izlude]

I find it really interesting that nothing was done on the 30x, but when big bad Genocide gets in there, rules are implemented to stop us.

Very immature and classless.

I find it really interesting that you think everyone is out to get you for some reason. Server doesn't revolve around Genocide, don't know what's going on with your statement. Paranoia?

[Shabaka]

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