Gracia final, h5, GoD, etc

[Sirius92]

Think about it this way if you nerf the Kamaels then you will have to nerf something else...

This implies that the game as it is now, is perfectly balanced. Which it isn't, l2 has never been balanced, actually it't a hard thing to do in MMO's. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be tried to be done as balanced as possible.

As for making this modifications, it's extremely simple. It's nothing like 1hp problem. Anyway, i've shared this idea as i believed a more fun and balanced environment could be made, but since most of you are against it, then the idea will die here in this thread.

MV, my point isn't that GF L2 is balanced but that making those changes could make it even more unbalanced. Consequences are unpredictable since we can just theorize here however I think nerfing Kamaels would benefit Mage setups which are already pretty strong in Gracia Final.

If anything has to be nerfed it should be LS and in very slightly way affecting it's land rate.

[Fatality,]

1Hp -  ressurection
Hide - bug
Skills enchant - bug

this is a problem when GF was here we had  a lot of other class then kamaels

Just learned that those won't be a problem. We will have a beta to check them on in the future.

any info about fixed mystic immunity?

[Sirius92]

1Hp -  ressurection
Hide - bug
Skills enchant - bug

this is a problem when GF was here we had  a lot of other class then kamaels

Just learned that those won't be a problem. We will have a beta to check them on in the future.

any info about fixed mystic immunity?

What's wrong with MI ? As far as I know Admins changed it on purpose back on x5 to benefit some losing side but that's an old history...    Kongor too strong

[Bulle]

Do not touch anything at Kamael classes or it won't work correctly/more unbalance and shit, leave it as it is, everyone will have kamaels inside every teams, so it doesn't matter.

Better to fix :

- 1 HP rez
- Skills enchant bug
- Dances/songs bug
- Hide problem

[tempest]

alsow  varka/ketra/HB quest bugs should be fixed

[Fatality,]

1Hp -  ressurection
Hide - bug
Skills enchant - bug

this is a problem when GF was here we had  a lot of other class then kamaels

Just learned that those won't be a problem. We will have a beta to check them on in the future.

any info about fixed mystic immunity?

What's wrong with MI ? As far as I know Admins changed it on purpose back on x5 to benefit some losing side but that's an old history...    Kongor too strong

It makes one invincible to buff/debuff for a certain time. Usable only to party members.
so you wont get any buff even after you use it but as i was playing pp you was always able to use for example enlighment after immunity:)

[Soul`]

so when every1 played, wtf kamaels are so broken, and now nobody want to change anything?

there is not any skill like rush/ls/steal or disarm and MV is talking about small changes that would be tested not about making kamaels useless and sirius why mages would benefit more than any other cp thats just nosense

[xpto]

if any skill / formula will be changed, most ppl wont play since noone likes customs wich cry babys ask for cus they suck too hard to get oly epics, TW Jewels,  OE RE to resist such stuff as RI LS. randoms always gonna cry, if not op then about radar ;]

ANY class at GF can be beaten, it just need brain and gear.

[Soul`]

its obvious that MV is a random who is always crying about smth op, please dont come with flaming and talkin like if u are anything just stop it there... anyway with this thread and even if ppl agreed dont think anything will be changed so nvm

[Bulle]

Even if kamaels are overpowered, no one wants to change anything or it will be some lol custom server.
They couldn't fix 1 hp rez and etc and you really think of changing anything ? RLY ? Please don't destroy this server, thanks.

[xpto]

Even if kamaels are overpowered, no one wants to change anything or it will be some lol custom server.
They couldn't fix 1 hp rez and etc and you really think of changing anything ? RLY ? Please don't destroy this server, thanks.

nuff said by frenchy

[MV]

Well i am glad that i am causing laughs, that actually makes me happy : )
But on the other hand, i will have to make you create more accounts to flame me. So keep it original, so i get some laughs too ; )

MV, my point isn't that GF L2 is balanced but that making those changes could make it even more unbalanced. Consequences are unpredictable since we can just theorize here however I think nerfing Kamaels would benefit Mage setups which are already pretty strong in Gracia Final.

That's why they would be tested in advanced and everyone could give their opinion after trying them. I am talking about small tweaks that would slightly nerf some op'ed classes.
But obviously, if the majority of the known member's opinion is against of course we will stop right here, most of the people here have more experience then me in lineage. The idea came as a results of countless complains against these classes along the years. And we did have a few years of GF on RPG.

[n0click]

My personal motivation for those changes:

Rush Impact: increased cooldown of the skill transforms the class from a 2 button masher one to one in which you actually have to use your brain to play. When you know you can't just spam the skill you need to think before you use it and decide which target (or group of targets depending on situation) to cast it on. Also, jumping around from target to target like in japanese animes is (personal opinion) .
Also, it would give those parties that are more or less weaker equipped a fight chance. I've literally seen entire siege forces getting decimated by one party with a doombringer +++stun. This is clearly overpowered and needs to be addressed somehow. My idea is longer cooldown for the skill. Tempering with the chance to stun isn't recommended as in end game the skill doesn't land that much.

Lighting Strike: Lowered land rate since i don't believe there are any items against it, other then Dark Crystal set.

Disarm: Lowered debuff duration. Not sure how this one is in end game but as far as i remember it still lasted a crap load of time.

Steal divinity: I believe there is no need to explain this one, right?

All and in all, these are just ideas that will probably not even make it in the game. But just in case admins are open for this suggestion i will gladly read comments from you guys about this. Share your ideas and explain them as best as possible.

Cool bro , briliant idea , why we would make this server GF if u wanna destroy it by lowering the skills , then lets  add celestial of nuckers from h5 , the insane crusher of HK and many other shiets .

Maybe focus ur asses on the bugs which gracia final has before you come with this briliant idea.

Maybe think what u can do better for server to have a longer life than destroy it . And you said you will not interfer in this server in previous topic so stay out of this server discussions

tnx in advance

[JoscelinVerreuil]

There was no plans about any changes in files beside bug fix.

[sPWNZ]

it was just an idea which is already dead)

[TheGrEEk]

take it easy with mv , he made a suggestion , i would still prefer him as gm over the current one

[kornez]

take it easy with mv , he made a suggestion , i would still prefer him as gm over the current one

u want to say this joscesmthing is gm now ? LOL

[MV]

Cool bro , briliant idea , why we would make this server GF if u wanna destroy it by lowering the skills , then lets  add celestial of nuckers from h5 , the insane crusher of HK and many other shiets .

Maybe focus ur asses on the bugs which gracia final has before you come with this briliant idea.

Maybe think what u can do better for server to have a longer life than destroy it . And you said you will not interfer in this server in previous topic so stay out of this server discussions

tnx in advance

What is wrong with you people? Haven't i expressed my self clear enough? Bugs are fixed and this was just a personal idea of mine based on countless complaints from many many players about these issues that i considered presenting to admins if players might think it's good idea to test and see what comes of it.
I don't understand where all this hate comes from? Can't you express your point of view in a decent manner?

I'm sorry for who ever appreciated my presence here along the years but i am tired of all of this. I wish you all loads of fun on the new RPG lineage server!

[D0GGY]

/agree with some ppl here , skills edit would be a waste of  time and a inbalance to the party setup and to the ollympiad fights

[Bulle]

Why MV lost his account ? ?

[xpto]

Josce owned him and took his position

[JoscelinVerreuil]

I dont know what happend with MV acc, but i will ask, as long as its not personal information.

[SpringR]

not like u would be able to change these skills when u couldnt even change/fix the most basic things)

not rly, cuz u can easily edit skills in .txt file, when fixing pts bugs like 1hp needed advanced binary/reverse changes and hooking own .dll (afaik)

the fixing of 1hp rez bug is a matter of changin one - to + ...

[Soul`]

I'm sorry for who ever appreciated my presence here along the years but i am tired of all of this. I wish you all loads of fun on the new RPG lineage server!

guess he didnt want to waste more time here with such morons, as the only normal mod rpg ever had he tried to make this suggestion to make the server better, ppl didnt like it and like sheeps come to talk some bs and even try to make fun of Mv...

[sPWNZ]

fakin retards MV come back