Okay since ive talked to a lot of ppl recently about endgame party setups and gotten a lot of different opinions from ppl id like to hear what you guys say...
What parties and what classes do you think is useful for different endgame parties and why? which would you say is the ultimate 9man party?
the one that actually reaches the endgame without quitting
Any party u just need activity and know the game.
Meh, i dont agree... you cant really play with a shitty setup and do well, thats just not possible ffs. ;/
Thing is a friend of mine says without kamalols ur dead meat 100% and hes saying a titan is worth shit pretty much, i disagreed and said that a party with: WR, DB, Titan, SK/Pala, EE, Cardi, WC, BD, SWS would probably do allrite, what do you think? Titans = old shit that got no use those days? same for SK?
I saw some decent titan vids (GromHellFire, TerrorMachine, GoodTimes) but hes discards them and says the enemies are shitty thats why they win...
Quote from: Kuro1n on October 14, 2010, 06:45:24 AM
I saw some decent titan vids (GromHellFire, TerrorMachine, GoodTimes) but hes discards them and says the enemies are shitty thats why they win...
If you encounter better enemy players you will loose no matter what pt setup you have. Dude it's not like it was in c4 or c5 only mages or only archers, Pick whatever you want and play like you mean it !!!
me too i wonder if it worth to play titan
like you said in those video titan is ultra stuff vs ppl low stuff
and ofc they show you only when he is full frenzy zealot
Quote from: WoTE on October 14, 2010, 10:30:02 AM
Quote from: Kuro1n on October 14, 2010, 06:45:24 AM
I saw some decent titan vids (GromHellFire, TerrorMachine, GoodTimes) but hes discards them and says the enemies are shitty thats why they win...
If you encounter better enemy players you will loose no matter what pt setup you have. Dude it's not like it was in c4 or c5 only mages or only archers, Pick whatever you want and play like you mean it !!!
Yes i know its not c4/c5 but im saying, lets say 2 teams face off 9v9 all active chars same gear approx etc, equal terms so to say... One team is a team with SK titan zerker and a WR while the other is a team with slh arba SR HE, would the team with titan stand any chance? You get my point? IMO titans got lots of potential but do they stand a chance versus a slh who will fuck their buffs up in seconds for example?
hands>no hands
Quote from: Kuro1n on October 14, 2010, 12:12:29 PM
Quote from: WoTE on October 14, 2010, 10:30:02 AM
Quote from: Kuro1n on October 14, 2010, 06:45:24 AM
I saw some decent titan vids (GromHellFire, TerrorMachine, GoodTimes) but hes discards them and says the enemies are shitty thats why they win...
If you encounter better enemy players you will loose no matter what pt setup you have. Dude it's not like it was in c4 or c5 only mages or only archers, Pick whatever you want and play like you mean it !!!
Yes i know its not c4/c5 but im saying, lets say 2 teams face off 9v9 all active chars same gear approx etc, equal terms so to say... One team is a team with SK titan zerker and a WR while the other is a team with slh arba SR HE, would the team with titan stand any chance? You get my point? IMO titans got lots of potential but do they stand a chance versus a slh who will fuck their buffs up in seconds for example?
If u have good team, wc should make somekind of "rebuff" after frenzy zealot rage started.
Quote from: Kuro1n on October 14, 2010, 12:12:29 PM
Quote from: WoTE on October 14, 2010, 10:30:02 AM
Quote from: Kuro1n on October 14, 2010, 06:45:24 AM
I saw some decent titan vids (GromHellFire, TerrorMachine, GoodTimes) but hes discards them and says the enemies are shitty thats why they win...
If you encounter better enemy players you will loose no matter what pt setup you have. Dude it's not like it was in c4 or c5 only mages or only archers, Pick whatever you want and play like you mean it !!!
Yes i know its not c4/c5 but im saying, lets say 2 teams face off 9v9 all active chars same gear approx etc, equal terms so to say... One team is a team with SK titan zerker and a WR while the other is a team with slh arba SR HE, would the team with titan stand any chance? You get my point? IMO titans got lots of potential but do they stand a chance versus a slh who will fuck their buffs up in seconds for example?
man why u think bad of titans :D .. titans need one crit to smash u and when they got frenzy + zae , they dont even need to crit :P .. and when they got a bow with em? i dont think that 16k+ p atk is a weak points :P they are slow yeah and vs slh they will lose all their buffs, but they need exactly 2 hits to kill a slh :P
Yea... oh well i guess ill just go for my destro party setup and hope for the best. : P
In worst case i could just pole a new char up once i got full ele ss. (:
Quote from: Crucial on October 14, 2010, 12:21:12 PM
Quote from: Kuro1n on October 14, 2010, 12:12:29 PM
Quote from: WoTE on October 14, 2010, 10:30:02 AM
Quote from: Kuro1n on October 14, 2010, 06:45:24 AM
I saw some decent titan vids (GromHellFire, TerrorMachine, GoodTimes) but hes discards them and says the enemies are shitty thats why they win...
If you encounter better enemy players you will loose no matter what pt setup you have. Dude it's not like it was in c4 or c5 only mages or only archers, Pick whatever you want and play like you mean it !!!
Yes i know its not c4/c5 but im saying, lets say 2 teams face off 9v9 all active chars same gear approx etc, equal terms so to say... One team is a team with SK titan zerker and a WR while the other is a team with slh arba SR HE, would the team with titan stand any chance? You get my point? IMO titans got lots of potential but do they stand a chance versus a slh who will fuck their buffs up in seconds for example?
man why u think bad of titans :D .. titans need one crit to smash u and when they got frenzy + zae , they dont even need to crit :P .. and when they got a bow with em? i dont think that 16k+ p atk is a weak points :P they are slow yeah and vs slh they will lose all their buffs, but they need exactly 2 hits to kill a slh :P
Titan aint bad for pvp, is actually far from it but any smart Soul hound in pvp would steal 1 st buffs from it since all fights are with prefrenzy. Tho like guys said in upper post WC could rebuff 7 buffs after Titan does frenzy+zealot and it might not get frenzy/zealot stolen.
when it comes to melee group i think the best setup for a 9x9 is slh/zerker/2daggers/supports.
anyway, if u wanna play as destro u can put a destro in ur pt instead of one dagger and it'll be like dagger/destro/zerker/slh. The destro will helps a lot on pve and u still have a decent group for pvp, a stacked destro is not that bad.
just my pov (:
imo mele as igorius said, but uhm lets be honest dagger on pvp does more than destro... slow as fck gets agro and he is more fuked up than daggers coz of speed so... if nuker i'd go for 3 nukers + slh/ or tank, didnt play nukers on gf so only guessing but 3 nukers + slh seems best. about mele with slh zerk 2 daggers its very decent setup for both pve/pvp so seems best for me
imo nuker setup is best.
TK, SH, SH/SPS, Necro, SE,EE, SwS, BD, Bish with chickens and you can make great AoE pt everywhere. It's the fastest farm imo. If you talk about pvp it shouldn't be bad too.
destros aint that slow once they pop zealot tho... : X
slh/berk/dagger/glad
gladi 300atri with +30duelist spirit = win button
Quote from: linn on October 14, 2010, 01:42:12 PM
imo nuker setup is best.
TK, SH, SH/SPS, Necro, SE,EE, SwS, BD, Bish with chickens and you can make great AoE pt everywhere. It's the fastest farm imo. If you talk about pvp it shouldn't be bad too.
Mage party w/o ol u failed already ;)
end game melee pt wont need a zerker that much, rush impact wont land at all so id say slh 2 daggers and 1 da, pk or sk
Quote from: linn on October 14, 2010, 01:42:12 PM
imo nuker setup is best.
TK, SH, SH/SPS, Necro, SE,EE, SwS, BD, Bish with chickens and you can make great AoE pt everywhere. It's the fastest farm imo. If you talk about pvp it shouldn't be bad too.
And the SE gonna rebuff during pvp/pve and brainless Stigma people for BD/SWS. xD
3 Nuker (SPS/Sorc or SH doesnt matter what class you have in party and 1 Necro), OL, WC, BD, SWS, Bish and EE
or 3 Nuker, Tank/SLH, OL, BD, SWS, Bish and EE.
Quote from: hello on October 14, 2010, 02:27:17 PM
end game melee pt wont need a zerker that much, rush impact wont land at all so id say slh 2 daggers and 1 da, pk or sk
when it comes to zerk w/ 2 oly jewels+tw vs targets w/ just 1oly/tw it still land quite good
Imo Raziel as bowdancer will own all!
necta zrob kurwa tego frapsa
slh steels dances/songs first so to steel frenzy/zealot u need a lot of luck or retarded bd/sws in destro pt
There isnt any 'best endgame pt' for me
my 3 favourites are :
Nuker pt : sps/sph/necro/slh/ol/ee/cardi/bd/sws and a box doomcryer for cop/earth chant and melee buffs for bd/sws
the classic pt : 2 daggers/db/slh/wc/bd/sws/ee/cardi
and a pt i rly like dunno if it works : saggi/trickster/slh/th/ee/cardi/wc/bd/sws
woot about a tyrant at melee pt ?isnt that worth playing at melees?
Quote from: Kuro1n on October 14, 2010, 01:10:26 PM
Yea... oh well i guess ill just go for my destro party setup and hope for the best. : P
In worst case i could just pole a new char up once i got full ele ss. (:
but now u gonna have const? go exp solo 0 to 85 imo
why th in archer pt, rather aw/pw for dmg boost or just archer ;D
Quote from: Raziel on October 14, 2010, 02:37:39 PM
necta zrob kurwa tego frapsa
;]
P.S Chillout Razielito ;d
Quote from: Kuro1n on October 14, 2010, 06:45:24 AM
Meh, i dont agree... you cant really play with a shitty setup and do well, thats just not possible ffs. ;/
Thing is a friend of mine says without kamalols ur dead meat 100% and hes saying a titan is worth shit pretty much, i disagreed and said that a party with: WR, DB, Titan, SK/Pala, EE, Cardi, WC, BD, SWS would probably do allrite, what do you think? Titans = old shit that got no use those days? same for SK?
I saw some decent titan vids (GromHellFire, TerrorMachine, GoodTimes) but hes discards them and says the enemies are shitty thats why they win...
when we was playing here at last days we was rolling with
zerker/aw/destro/ee/bp/wc/bd/sws )) sometimes we was taking slh if there was any) i dont think its imba setup, but if ur party know what to do so its not hard to win pvp)
I think till end game best dd setup is zerker/slh/dagger/he
And later mb slh slh dagger he)
Yea i see, well i want some kinda variety... played slh last time and it was kinda op but i didnt have that fun until i had LS. So ima give it a try. : )
Btw im surprised to see so FEW arbas... realtarget is totally fucking oped and broken in this game. : p
In total end-game HE/SR/Hound/ARBA is imba. :)
Best setup is Benc+Raziel+Necta in one pt
Quote from: Raziel on October 14, 2010, 02:30:10 PM
Quote from: hello on October 14, 2010, 02:27:17 PM
end game melee pt wont need a zerker that much, rush impact wont land at all so id say slh 2 daggers and 1 da, pk or sk
when it comes to zerk w/ 2 oly jewels+tw vs targets w/ just 1oly/tw it still land quite good
end game means everyone stacked up, meaning stun wont land
Quote from: CrossFirepwnz on October 14, 2010, 09:54:04 PM
In total end-game HE/SR/Hound/ARBA is imba. :)
this setup is pretty cool aswell if they're all stacked
bullsh1t about stun not landing, oed stun on +15 and anthy on bers / zaken teza oly zaken, those kind of berserkers stunned me on pvps while having same jewels, and if bers had anthy he almost alwayes stunned me... and im playing fukin th with 40+ con so luls
Quote from: bolo5 on October 14, 2010, 10:02:39 PM
bullsh1t about stun not landing, oed stun on +15 and anthy on bers / zaken teza oly zaken, those kind of berserkers stunned me on pvps while having same jewels, and if bers had anthy he almost alwayes stunned me... and im playing fukin th with 40+ con so luls
my cardinal isnt getting stunned and go check retail, check how many zerkers you see skating and stunning everyone around them
it does land, just not that much to make it worth while imho, so id rather have a tank
anyone like someone posted, its subjective talking about the best party setup, its just my opinion nothing more ;p
i didnt say it lands 100%, i agree it lands less often with jewels but thats kinda obvious, and imo despite the lower landrate with jewels its worth it, thats my opinion ;p
Pest pvp setup is 9 angry russians on ranger even on bd/sws
Quote from: Raziel on October 14, 2010, 09:55:57 PM
Best setup is Benc+Raziel+Necta in one pt
and rofl
The party with the most boss jewels and better gear wins.
not alwayes about the gear and stuff, u can win even with disadvantage, matter of luck and skill ;d
I think in end game zerkers are shit.. Because their damage become low stun not landing so much even with 3/3 stun jewels.
Sure if u want resist many stuns u need clans skills and enchanted resist shock not talking about stun jewels because its necessary.
SLHs para is not gonna be as useful once the new armor sets comes out also... every light armor user is gonna have +50% resistance. (:
Still buffstealing is still a bitch i guess... ; P
Gotta wait until HF for that to be fix'd.
Random fact: Playforum cant spell to soulbreaker... (SoulBRAKER anyone?) ):
4xsoulhound 83+ with Light Shock, Bish,EE,SWS,BD,OL
Quote from: Kuro1n on October 14, 2010, 11:34:26 PM
SLHs para is not gonna be as useful once the new armor sets comes out also... every light armor user is gonna have +50% resistance. (:
Still buffstealing is still a bitch i guess... ; P
Gotta wait until HF for that to be fix'd.
Random fact: Playforum cant spell to soulbreaker... (SoulBRAKER anyone?) ):
yea right gl w8ing for new updates lolz
Ofc im not believing we will get it anytime soon, im just saying kamalols wont rule this game forever. (:
Quote from: Kuro1n on October 14, 2010, 11:34:26 PM
SLHs para is not gonna be as useful once the new armor sets comes out also... every light armor user is gonna have +50% resistance. (:
Still buffstealing is still a bitch i guess... ; P
Gotta wait until HF for that to be fix'd.
Random fact: Playforum cant spell to soulbreaker... (SoulBRAKER anyone?) ):
on freya para lands even better :) like all debuffs
Quote from: SplichO on October 14, 2010, 11:38:54 PM
4xsoulhound 83+ with Light Shock, Bish,EE,SWS,BD,OL
fixed
best setup :
1) 100+ QI
2) 100+ QI
3) 100+ QI
4) 100+ QI
5) 100+ QI
6) 100+ QI
7) 100+ QI
8) 100+ QI
9) 100+ QI
Quote from: vaurk on October 15, 2010, 02:25:43 AM
best setup :
1) 100+ QI
....
9) 100+ QI
what is that "Q I" ?
he means IQ but he dont have enough QI to write it properly
Maybe he was talking about Quest Items :P
HaHaHa epic fail
/facepalm
Wtf did he mean with it anyways? ... : /
Blah
Quote from: paparose on October 15, 2010, 02:41:21 AM
he means IQ but he dont have enough QI to write it properly
how many quest items u need to write IQ correctly ? i got 127 QI (mss), i quess its enuff...
Quote from: paparose on October 15, 2010, 02:41:21 AM
he means IQ but he dont have enough QI to write it properly
you were sayin
wait for lineage3 best setup
Quote from: bloodeh on October 15, 2010, 04:23:16 PM
wait for lineage3 best setup
Is that so? VAPORWARE2000000000000000000000000!!!!!
Quote from: paparose on October 15, 2010, 02:41:21 AM
he means IQ but he dont have enough QI to write it properly
no, just a language swap ;)
whoot you thing about tyrent in melee partyieh mengz?
3 duelist slh ee bish wc bd sws
Quote from: SwashBuckler on October 16, 2010, 01:23:26 AM
3 duelist slh ee bish wc bd sws
gets raped by archer, dagger, mage parties, yap, good pt setup lol.
HE/Trickster/Dagger/SLH , support - DD
necro/x2 nukers/slh , support - nuker
Quote from: Life on October 16, 2010, 01:50:48 AM
HE/Trickster/Dagger/SLH , support - meele MIX
necro/x2 nukers/slh , support - nuker
Quote from: Life on October 16, 2010, 01:50:48 AM
HE/Trickster/Dagger/SLH , support - meele
necro/x2 nukers/slh , support - nuker
had those archer setup, was nice but didn't reach 84 for vespers sa >:(
btw, why necro ? coz gloom only ? dont know how it lands on 85 enemies. mb better elemental mage with aoe for faster exp ?
didn't play here on mage, how it's exping in 3 nukers with 1 EE ?
No necro in mage group=fail
why sky is blue?
Quote from: S1xX on October 16, 2010, 02:17:48 AM
why sky is blue?
Rofl, idd.
Nonrelated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk3ibIGKTYA&feature=player_embedded#! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk3ibIGKTYA&feature=player_embedded#!)
Quote from: Raziel on October 14, 2010, 09:55:57 PM
Best setup is Benc+Raziel+Necta in one pt
cardi/es/sd/swm/dc/3x Forum Warrior = epic win
so many arguments about necro in mage pt ... every1 say that it's needed, but no1 can say why.
1.gloom (% land rate on high lvl with 10-20 enchant ?)
2. dod for clan events.
3. ?
elemental mage
1. aoe
2. aura flash
3. cancel
4. vortex ( w/o using slug)
mass warior/mage bane? CoA? DOD? And thoose debuffs lands well.
Quote from: Malicious on October 16, 2010, 02:47:06 AM
mass warior/mage bane? CoA? DOD? And thoose debuffs lands well.
banes removes improved buffs or not? I think no, but i can be wrong but cmon, it doesnt help in 9v9 only some mass pvp, where normal ol give it every 20s.
CoA 30s reuse :s and it doesnt land a lot
DoD well agreed
gloom is good for mobing on high hp mobz (hb)
I dont want to say necro is bad (because isnt) but i think he is replaceable.
Quote from: Groar on October 16, 2010, 02:21:43 AM
Quote from: Raziel on October 14, 2010, 09:55:57 PM
Best setup is Benc+Raziel+Necta in one pt
cardi/es/sd/swm/dc/3x Forum Warrior = epic win
LOL so true but they'll only win forum fights making look like they win everything
Quote from: Maleax on October 16, 2010, 03:01:38 AM
Quote from: Malicious on October 16, 2010, 02:47:06 AM
mass warior/mage bane? CoA? DOD? And thoose debuffs lands well.
banes removes improved buffs or not? I think no, but i can be wrong but cmon, it doesnt help in 9v9 only some mass pvp, where normal ol give it every 20s.
CoA 30s reuse :s and it doesnt land a lot
DoD well agreed
gloom is good for mobing on high hp mobz (hb)
I dont want to say necro is bad (because isnt) but i think he is replaceable.
it does and why wouldnt you make a mage party with a necro as MA?
necro rocks ;<
Quote from: Mario on October 16, 2010, 03:22:09 AM
necro rocks ;<
how much necro debuffs actualy land on high lvl oponents? been trying to find some fraps, but finding a good necro pov this days is pretty hard
When u enchant the skill and get a +300 vesper quite a lot
Quote from: Pel8 on October 16, 2010, 01:26:25 PM
When u enchant the skill and get a +300 vesper quite a lot
How can 300 attr help in lands? Enlighten me.
gloom might be dark atr or sth but dunno, imo its more about matk from veeper!
Quote from: bolo5 on October 16, 2010, 04:55:10 PM
gloom might be dark atr or sth but dunno
no, for sure
y
that's why i roll it
Quote from: Malicious on October 16, 2010, 01:25:46 AM
Quote from: SwashBuckler on October 16, 2010, 01:23:26 AM
3 duelist slh ee bish wc bd sws
gets raped by archer, dagger, mage parties, yap, good pt setup lol.
Obviously you never seen the damage output of a duelist with +30 skills and vesper duals 300 element with pvp on it. Daggers and Archers are shit when people have CC and CoP. Mages will get torn apart by glads damage no question about it.
This party will never happen though because no one wants to deal with a shitty early game party.
not to mention the server will probably be dead by the time this party get stacked
wanna hear some info from ppl that actualy played a high lvl necro. debuffs land enough so u can play as a debuffer in a pvp, or u have to play as a dd?
Debuffs land good ;) Even on end game you can easily curse desiese / coa / gloom / silence / cod ..
Quote from: SwashBuckler on October 16, 2010, 09:05:29 PM
Quote from: Malicious on October 16, 2010, 01:25:46 AM
Quote from: SwashBuckler on October 16, 2010, 01:23:26 AM
3 duelist slh ee bish wc bd sws
gets raped by archer, dagger, mage parties, yap, good pt setup lol.
Obviously you never seen the damage output of a duelist with +30 skills and vesper duals 300 element with pvp on it. Daggers and Archers are shit when people have CC and CoP. Mages will get torn apart by glads damage no question about it.
This party will never happen though because no one wants to deal with a shitty early game party.
not to mention the server will probably be dead by the time this party get stacked
obviously, you never played lineage
Imo he played but is a fanboy of diego or danieldefo or sth...
Quote from: belephorn on October 16, 2010, 09:25:39 PM
wanna hear some info from ppl that actualy played a high lvl necro. debuffs land enough so u can play as a debuffer in a pvp, or u have to play as a dd?
Depends what epics you got and which they got and which levels both of you are. If your both equal in levels and gear its going to go by the skill enchants level.
lvl 76 +1-3
lvl 77 +4-6
lvl 78 +7-9
lvl 79 +10-12
lvl 80 +13-15
lvl 81 +16-18
lvl 82 +19-21
lvl 83 +22-24
lvl 84 +25-27
lvl 85 +28-30
EX: level 84 Necros trying to debuff another 84 you will need +25-27 for it to land at its normal land rate.
If you got epics just factor in how much % they add with the % you skill land. xxx skill lands 50% of the time and you got an epic that adds 20%. 20% of 50% is 10%. So it adds 10% more to its base land rate.
Necros are much weaker nukers for DDs due to the enchant path for Death Spike +30 Death Spike : 119 Power
+30 Hurricane : 127 Power. Also an Elemental Vortex is 139 Power. Dark Vortex is 111. That's a huge difference.
All in all necromancers suck ass unless you got epics equal or more than your opponents and got +20+ debuffs to go along with it. So endgame its going to be pointless to have a necro in a nuker party unless he has these things because he wont even land a curse gloom.
Nuker partys are better off with another sps sh or sorc instead.
yeah because end game nuker parties dont enchant their skills
Quote from: hello on October 16, 2010, 10:27:54 PM
yeah because end game nuker parties dont enchant their skills
This is going to be a 45x if cakes are out. People will be 85 in a month or less. Necromancers are going to be pretty useless since no one is going to be able to farm hellbound until maybe the second month unless people hardcore farm baylor. Also i doubt any necromancers will be able to get any decent enchanted debuffs in the first month their is much more important things to worry about.
unrealistic rlly. the mage party always started with the support and continued with the necro , and recently the soulhound was added as an option , u are just phantasizing about a diff game
Quote from: SwashBuckler on October 16, 2010, 10:25:14 PM
Quote from: belephorn on October 16, 2010, 09:25:39 PM
wanna hear some info from ppl that actualy played a high lvl necro. debuffs land enough so u can play as a debuffer in a pvp, or u have to play as a dd?
Depends what epics you got and which they got and which levels both of you are. If your both equal in levels and gear its going to go by the skill enchants level.
lvl 76 +1-3
lvl 77 +4-6
lvl 78 +7-9
lvl 79 +10-12
lvl 80 +13-15
lvl 81 +16-18
lvl 82 +19-21
lvl 83 +22-24
lvl 84 +25-27
lvl 85 +28-30
EX: level 84 Necros trying to debuff another 84 you will need +25-27 for it to land at its normal land rate.
If you got epics just factor in how much % they add with the % you skill land. xxx skill lands 50% of the time and you got an epic that adds 20%. 20% of 50% is 10%. So it adds 10% more to its base land rate.
Necros are much weaker nukers for DDs due to the enchant path for Death Spike +30 Death Spike : 119 Power
+30 Hurricane : 127 Power. Also an Elemental Vortex is 139 Power. Dark Vortex is 111. That's a huge difference.
All in all necromancers suck ass unless you got epics equal or more than your opponents and got +20+ debuffs to go along with it. So endgame its going to be pointless to have a necro in a nuker party unless he has these things because he wont even land a curse gloom.
Nuker partys are better off with another sps sh or sorc instead.
you're totally wrong Diego
Quote from: SwashBuckler on October 16, 2010, 10:39:14 PM
Quote from: hello on October 16, 2010, 10:27:54 PM
yeah because end game nuker parties dont enchant their skills
This is going to be a 45x if cakes are out. People will be 85 in a month or less.
Keep dreaming. You gonna open HB and farm it in B/A common grades until 85 in under a month. GRATZ
You can craft an S grade weapon in a day or 2 if you know where to farm and have the proper party setup. You can 150 it in a 2days if your whole party contributes. You can get a drac set in 2-3 days in varka+raiding(helm and chest drops pretty often from several raids) if you got a good party. Bam you can get a 150 HD full drac titan in no time and all you need is 2-3 other DDs with a s grade weapon and you can farm hellbound exactly what KONGORs party did.
Also you dont need to exp in hellbound to get 85. There was a doombringer forgot his name but he was the second level 85 on the 5x and he barely went to hellbound he stood in darkness all day if its 45x you can get 85 on blue mobs easy.
I never said hellbound was going to be open in a month so stop putting words in my mouth idiot.
cc nerfing daggers, what?
if necro is not able to land debuffs, then its no point heaving him in party imo. other nukers deal out more dmg. thats why i was mainly interested in the land rate of debuffs. another thing is the number of the skills u gotta enchant on necro if u want them to be usefull. its like twice the number of other nukers skills. wich means ur limited with ur skill selection in a pvp untill u farm enough to enchant them all. tnx for replys
necro is meant to be ma in mage grps.
It's debuffs do land .
Quote from: kaze on October 17, 2010, 01:44:57 AM
cc nerfing daggers, what?
Watch some videos of the daggers on this server. They almost never have CC's 8 sec proc up. If they do they get maybe 1 stab off its more of a nerf than a boost since its 30% protection always and 50% crit damage only 8 secs.
Quote from: SwashBuckler on October 17, 2010, 04:48:01 AM
Quote from: kaze on October 17, 2010, 01:44:57 AM
cc nerfing daggers, what?
Watch some videos of the daggers on this server. They almost never have CC's 8 sec proc up. If they do they get maybe 1 stab off its more of a nerf than a boost since its 30% protection always and 50% crit damage only 8 secs.
100% crit dmg
SwashBuckler you'r delusional... ;S
Take your pills bro.
Quote from: xtln on October 16, 2010, 10:41:41 PM
unrealistic rlly. the mage party always started with the support and continued with the necro , and recently the soulhound was added as an option , u are just phantasizing about a diff game
even SLH sucks in the first weeks without a proper mage weapon =p
i dont think slh is meant to deal damage as much as nukers/other dds in party dependingly on what kind of pt it is.. imo needs to be strooong and be able to steal bufs/debuf/para all the time possible not deal damage(not counting sops for d etarget)
8 soulhounds (they dont need buffs anyway they can steal) and one tank with shitload of bresses
should be best pt
Quote from: pokemontrainer on October 17, 2010, 01:25:49 PM
8 soulhounds (they dont need buffs anyway they can steal) and one tank with shitload of bresses
should be best pt
few breses in case of archer/ nuker pt mby
melee pt wouldnt get off from para since first hit try
Play like the japs... 8 DDs 1 healer lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fya8JVSFGSk&hd=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fya8JVSFGSk&hd=1)
Quote from: Kuro1n on October 17, 2010, 09:53:14 PM
Play like the japs... 8 DDs 1 healer lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fya8JVSFGSk&hd=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fya8JVSFGSk&hd=1)
i had some fraps of a vibes party on ct2.1 on jap servers.
They are in mass pvp. They got one mage group and one archer grp. And in the middle of this there is a ninja group concisting of 8 daggers buffed by oop pp/ee/VOP and a swm.
And they rape. But its during xmas when they have the ubber mp/cp/hp boost scroll.
They play this game really different from us... I wonder which way is more efficient really
They have stacked pties too, for epic fights/sieges/hb.
But they dont do hard things and are legit/dont bot, and are pvping all the time (not koreans wich are pvefags)
Lets say, they didnt have 80+ guys till gf. But after epilogue's easy xp, theyre all 80-85 and top geared.
But look at jp10, they have fuckin mass pvp everywhere, everytime. Lmao siege forces scale pvp in varka and ketra in gracia final? This server is just awesome.
There's never been a gap between players on jp servers, but thats prolly because they are legit+ its a 5 years retail server.
Actually japs bot and exploit a lot, i played versus a jap only clan and sure they were freaking badass pvpers and never did mistakes in the battles but they also exploited and found lots of glitches to abuse. : P
I talk on jap retail, the anti-3rd policy is realy strict.
And yes japs use game flaws on retail, just watch frapses and you'll see a few of em. But its not 3rd party programs.
Quote from: kaze on October 17, 2010, 11:58:24 PM
I talk on jap retail, the anti-3rd policy is realy strict
u mean there is actually server where ppl dont have imba targeting skills and see mucho things ?
y, watched countless pvp frapses from jp8/10 and i didnt see even a cp bot. Some of em use a nostromo but its highly recognisable.
whats jp8/10 , and give some links pls ;p preferably with stream if possible
can u pm me full name or sth to search frapses?
Yea id like to see some of that pvp aswell, pm with links plox
I sent you enough fraps to watch for the whole next year guys. gl
Thanks. : )
You still didn't answear my first pm tho. feg
Done. : )
Kaze wanted to be a forum factor.
not at all, and you joined teamzone.
I want to be a factor too.
Quote from: Dawert on October 16, 2010, 02:02:40 AM
Quote from: Life on October 16, 2010, 01:50:48 AM
HE/Trickster/Dagger/SLH , support - meele
necro/x2 nukers/slh , support - nuker
had those archer setup, was nice but didn't reach 84 for vespers sa >:(
btw, why necro ? coz gloom only ? dont know how it lands on 85 enemies. mb better elemental mage with aoe for faster exp ?
didn't play here on mage, how it's exping in 3 nukers with 1 EE ?
its not about xp, its about pvp
necro gloom,dod main debuffer , bans etc
if gloom is oed well it should be fine, never played nuker group yet will find it out in x15
necro is like best aoe char :< ? mass gloom/corpse burst ftw :X
in time necro does one corpse burst sps/sorc make 2-3 aoe nukes, its discusable but as from my experience if i would go just aoe exp pty i would take another sps/sorc/sh instead of necro ;p
TS benc
Quote from: Life on October 18, 2010, 05:01:58 PM
Quote from: Dawert on October 16, 2010, 02:02:40 AM
Quote from: Life on October 16, 2010, 01:50:48 AM
HE/Trickster/Dagger/SLH , support - meele
necro/x2 nukers/slh , support - nuker
had those archer setup, was nice but didn't reach 84 for vespers sa >:(
btw, why necro ? coz gloom only ? dont know how it lands on 85 enemies. mb better elemental mage with aoe for faster exp ?
didn't play here on mage, how it's exping in 3 nukers with 1 EE ?
its not about xp, its about pvp
necro gloom,dod main debuffer , bans etc
if gloom is oed well it should be fine, never played nuker group yet will find it out in x15
necro is like best aoe char :< ? mass gloom/corpse burst ftw :X
I was playing SH instead my necro sometimes on aoe pve, corpse burst sux its nonelemental xD but mass gloom helps a lot u can use it with ur kooka xD
Quote from: SwashBuckler on October 16, 2010, 09:05:29 PM
Quote from: Malicious on October 16, 2010, 01:25:46 AM
Quote from: SwashBuckler on October 16, 2010, 01:23:26 AM
3 duelist slh ee bish wc bd sws
gets raped by archer, dagger, mage parties, yap, good pt setup lol.
Obviously you never seen the damage output of a duelist with +30 skills and vesper duals 300 element with pvp on it. Daggers and Archers are shit when people have CC and CoP. Mages will get torn apart by glads damage no question about it.
(https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg413.imageshack.us%2Fimg413%2F4905%2Fgoldnapcardes7.png&hash=83ce220e6f29d51390e9dfb85d299cebcb03c390)
WC
BD
SwS
Bish
SE
DB
SlH
Dagger
SK
Tyrant would be a good option as well
Quote from: Life on October 18, 2010, 05:01:58 PM
Quote from: Dawert on October 16, 2010, 02:02:40 AM
Quote from: Life on October 16, 2010, 01:50:48 AM
HE/Trickster/Dagger/SLH , support - meele
necro/x2 nukers/slh , support - nuker
had those archer setup, was nice but didn't reach 84 for vespers sa >:(
btw, why necro ? coz gloom only ? dont know how it lands on 85 enemies. mb better elemental mage with aoe for faster exp ?
didn't play here on mage, how it's exping in 3 nukers with 1 EE ?
its not about xp, its about pvp
necro gloom,dod main debuffer , bans etc
if gloom is oed well it should be fine, never played nuker group yet will find it out in x15
necro is like best aoe char :< ? mass gloom/corpse burst ftw :X
Only pepsi can ban sry ^_^
Quote from: losiakus on October 20, 2010, 07:02:33 AM
Quote from: SwashBuckler on October 16, 2010, 09:05:29 PM
Quote from: Malicious on October 16, 2010, 01:25:46 AM
Quote from: SwashBuckler on October 16, 2010, 01:23:26 AM
3 duelist slh ee bish wc bd sws
gets raped by archer, dagger, mage parties, yap, good pt setup lol.
Obviously you never seen the damage output of a duelist with +30 skills and vesper duals 300 element with pvp on it. Daggers and Archers are shit when people have CC and CoP. Mages will get torn apart by glads damage no question about it.
(https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg413.imageshack.us%2Fimg413%2F4905%2Fgoldnapcardes7.png&hash=83ce220e6f29d51390e9dfb85d299cebcb03c390)
:(