Setups

[Dawert]

so many arguments about necro in mage pt ... every1 say that it's needed, but no1 can say why.
1.gloom (% land rate on high lvl with 10-20 enchant ?)
2. dod for clan events.
3. ?

elemental mage
1. aoe
2. aura flash
3. cancel
4. vortex ( w/o using slug)

[Malicious]

mass warior/mage bane? CoA? DOD? And thoose debuffs lands well.

[Maleax]

mass warior/mage bane? CoA? DOD? And thoose debuffs lands well.

banes removes improved buffs or not? I think no, but i can be wrong but cmon, it doesnt help in 9v9 only some mass pvp, where normal ol give it every 20s.
CoA 30s reuse :s and it doesnt land a lot
DoD well agreed

gloom is good for mobing on high hp mobz (hb)

I dont want to say necro is bad (because isnt) but i think he is replaceable.

[vaurk]

Best setup is Benc+Raziel+Necta in one pt

cardi/es/sd/swm/dc/3x Forum Warrior = epic win

LOL so true but they'll only win forum fights making look like they win everything

[hello]

mass warior/mage bane? CoA? DOD? And thoose debuffs lands well.

banes removes improved buffs or not? I think no, but i can be wrong but cmon, it doesnt help in 9v9 only some mass pvp, where normal ol give it every 20s.
CoA 30s reuse :s and it doesnt land a lot
DoD well agreed

gloom is good for mobing on high hp mobz (hb)

I dont want to say necro is bad (because isnt) but i think he is replaceable.

it does and why wouldnt you make a mage party with a necro as MA?

[Mario]

necro rocks ;<

[belephorn]

necro rocks ;<

how much necro debuffs actualy land on high lvl oponents? been trying to find some fraps, but finding a good necro pov this days is pretty hard

[Pel8]

When u enchant the skill and get a +300 vesper quite a lot

[Maleax]

When u enchant the skill and get a +300 vesper quite a lot

How can 300 attr help in lands? Enlighten me.

[bolo5]

gloom might be dark atr or sth but dunno, imo its more about matk from veeper!

[Dawert]

gloom might be dark atr or sth but dunno

no, for sure

[YeasZ]

y
that's why i roll it

[SwashBuckler]

3 duelist slh ee bish wc bd sws

gets raped by archer, dagger, mage parties, yap, good pt setup lol.

Obviously you never seen the damage output of a duelist with +30 skills and vesper duals 300 element with pvp on it. Daggers and Archers are shit when people have CC and CoP. Mages will get torn apart by glads damage no question about it.

This party will never happen though because no one wants to deal with a shitty early game party.

not to mention the server will probably be dead by the time this party get stacked

[belephorn]

wanna hear some info from ppl that actualy played a high lvl necro. debuffs land enough so u can play as a debuffer in a pvp, or u have to play as a dd?

[Dtox]

Debuffs land good Even on end game you can easily curse desiese / coa  / gloom / silence / cod .. 

[YeasZ]

3 duelist slh ee bish wc bd sws

gets raped by archer, dagger, mage parties, yap, good pt setup lol.

Obviously you never seen the damage output of a duelist with +30 skills and vesper duals 300 element with pvp on it. Daggers and Archers are shit when people have CC and CoP. Mages will get torn apart by glads damage no question about it.

This party will never happen though because no one wants to deal with a shitty early game party.

not to mention the server will probably be dead by the time this party get stacked

obviously, you never played lineage

[Xosikun]

Imo he played but is a fanboy of diego or danieldefo or sth...

[SwashBuckler]

wanna hear some info from ppl that actualy played a high lvl necro. debuffs land enough so u can play as a debuffer in a pvp, or u have to play as a dd?

Depends what epics you got and which they got and which levels both of you are. If your both equal in levels and gear its going to go by the skill enchants level.

lvl 76 +1-3
lvl 77 +4-6
lvl 78 +7-9
lvl 79 +10-12
lvl 80 +13-15
lvl 81 +16-18
lvl 82 +19-21
lvl 83 +22-24
lvl 84 +25-27
lvl 85 +28-30

EX: level 84 Necros trying to debuff another 84 you will need +25-27 for it to land at its normal land rate.
If you got epics just factor in how much % they add with the % you skill land. xxx skill lands 50% of the time and you got an epic that adds 20%. 20% of 50% is 10%. So it adds 10% more to its base land rate.

Necros are much weaker nukers for DDs due to the enchant path for Death Spike +30 Death Spike : 119 Power
+30 Hurricane : 127 Power. Also an Elemental Vortex is 139 Power. Dark Vortex is 111. That's a huge difference.

All in all necromancers suck ass unless you got epics equal or more than your opponents  and got +20+ debuffs to go along with it. So endgame its going to be pointless to have a necro in a nuker party unless he has these things because he wont even land a curse gloom.

Nuker partys are better off with another sps sh or sorc instead.

[hello]

yeah because end game nuker parties dont enchant their skills

[SwashBuckler]

yeah because end game nuker parties dont enchant their skills

This is going to be a 45x if cakes are out. People will be 85 in a month or less. Necromancers are going to be pretty useless since no one is going to be able to farm hellbound until maybe the second month unless people hardcore farm baylor. Also i doubt any necromancers will be able to get any decent enchanted debuffs in the first month their is much more important things to worry about.

[xtln]

unrealistic rlly. the mage party always started with the support and continued with the necro , and recently the soulhound was added as an option , u are just phantasizing about a diff game

[YeasZ]

wanna hear some info from ppl that actualy played a high lvl necro. debuffs land enough so u can play as a debuffer in a pvp, or u have to play as a dd?

Depends what epics you got and which they got and which levels both of you are. If your both equal in levels and gear its going to go by the skill enchants level.

lvl 76 +1-3
lvl 77 +4-6
lvl 78 +7-9
lvl 79 +10-12
lvl 80 +13-15
lvl 81 +16-18
lvl 82 +19-21
lvl 83 +22-24
lvl 84 +25-27
lvl 85 +28-30

EX: level 84 Necros trying to debuff another 84 you will need +25-27 for it to land at its normal land rate.
If you got epics just factor in how much % they add with the % you skill land. xxx skill lands 50% of the time and you got an epic that adds 20%. 20% of 50% is 10%. So it adds 10% more to its base land rate.

Necros are much weaker nukers for DDs due to the enchant path for Death Spike +30 Death Spike : 119 Power
+30 Hurricane : 127 Power. Also an Elemental Vortex is 139 Power. Dark Vortex is 111. That's a huge difference.

All in all necromancers suck ass unless you got epics equal or more than your opponents  and got +20+ debuffs to go along with it. So endgame its going to be pointless to have a necro in a nuker party unless he has these things because he wont even land a curse gloom.

Nuker partys are better off with another sps sh or sorc instead.

you're totally wrong Diego

[baho]

yeah because end game nuker parties dont enchant their skills

This is going to be a 45x if cakes are out. People will be 85 in a month or less.

Keep dreaming. You gonna open HB and farm it in B/A common grades until 85 in under a month. GRATZ

[SwashBuckler]

You can craft an S grade weapon in a day or 2 if you know where to farm and have the proper party setup. You can 150 it in a 2days if your whole party contributes. You can get a drac set in 2-3 days in varka+raiding(helm and chest drops pretty often from several raids) if you got a good party. Bam you can get a 150 HD full drac titan in no time and all you need is 2-3 other DDs with a s grade weapon and you can farm hellbound exactly what KONGORs party did.

Also you dont need to exp in hellbound to get 85. There was a doombringer forgot his name but he was the second level 85 on the 5x and he barely went to hellbound he stood in darkness all day if its 45x you can get 85 on blue mobs easy.

I never said hellbound was going to be open in a month so stop putting words in my mouth idiot.

[kaze]

 cc nerfing daggers, what?