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anti backstab
A video of someone using antibackstab? Think it's time to dust of the ban hammer, it's been quite a few days.
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http://www.filefront.com/17385080/antistab.avi
use this if it still doesnt work
I managed to take it and see it. Please send me a longer video of that fight, not just a few seconds. I suppose you have a video of that whole fight. Send it to my pm if you don't want it to be public.
You kiding me?
Is there a problem?
I can tell you the reasoning too, i want to see if it happens more then once. It's not impossible for a coincidence to happen, for him to turn for *casting random skill/doing random action* (which is odd, cause neither happened; but he might have tried to cast a skill on an unflagged person without force attack). So it's simple, i want to see the full fight so i can take the best decision.
Quote from: MichaelV on October 14, 2010, 01:04:54 AM
Is there a problem?
I can tell you the reasoning too, i want to see if it happens more then once. It's not impossible for a coincidence to happen, for him to turn for *casting random skill/doing random action* (which is odd, cause neither happened; but he might have tried to cast a skill on an unflagged person without force attack). So it's simple, i want to see the full fight so i can take the best decision.
The thing is, PainRedefined was on hide, and there was no-one else near him when he backstabbed for the first time.
Yes, you are right. But i would like to see the full fight just to be sure. Shouldn't be a problem posting it, no?
Geez, QQ lost 4 fights today and started accusing us of cheats? Didn't expected you using such pathetic excuse.
Quote from: MichaelV on October 14, 2010, 01:16:38 AM
Yes, you are right. But i would like to see the full fight just to be sure. Shouldn't be a problem posting it, no?
he's rendering it, ill post it when its uploaded
Ok, thank you.
Quote from: Arcain on October 14, 2010, 01:21:51 AM
Geez, QQ lost 4 fights today and started accusing us of cheats? Didn't expected you using such pathetic excuse.
are you blind or you are too stupid to see this?
I'm not blind, i'm just 100% sure he's not using any 3rd party soft, just like the rest of our party. If you're looking for excuses like this because you lost i feel sorry for that. Go, post all 4 frapses how you lost, will be fun to watch.
You got busted - face it..
Quote from: Arcain on October 14, 2010, 01:33:34 AM
I'm not blind, i'm just 100% sure he's not using any 3rd party soft, just like the rest of our party. If you're looking for excuses like this because you lost i feel sorry for that. Go, post all 4 frapses how you lost, will be fun to watch.
And whole AFL was sure P1nk doesnt use ranger.
Yes gratz
who the fuck are u ? Lolifant ? upload those 4 fights wanna see my pro dual box skills from different perspecitve.
lollifant doesn't play l2
Quote from: Arcain on October 14, 2010, 01:33:34 AM
I'm not blind, i'm just 100% sure he's not using any 3rd party soft, just like the rest of our party. If you're looking for excuses like this because you lost i feel sorry for that. Go, post all 4 frapses how you lost, will be fun to watch.
why you telling? like i was fighting in this fights?? they dont need to post those "4 fights"....because is already funny
To be busted he would actually had to use anything. Since he didn't, it's just some random crap of some raging guy after 4 diffrent 9v9 lost in a row.
I'm preety sure that if i looked all the frapses posted in media category carefully i would find more issues like this.
Quote from: Arcain on October 14, 2010, 01:40:36 AM
Since he didn't
I'm sorry, but this is a null argument. I would be happy if you can come up with a reasonable explanation to his behavior in the video posted.
Edit:
Stop flaming. Until a decision is reached, please, only the accuser and victim are to be posting.
Anyone else, don't make me use the ban hammer.
Quote from: MichaelV on October 14, 2010, 01:46:32 AM
Quote from: Arcain on October 14, 2010, 01:40:36 AM
Since he didn't
I'm sorry, but this is a null argument. I would be happy if you can come up with a reasonable explanation to his behavior in the video posted.
I can't explain that just as i can't explain people hitting daggers on hide during oly by using next target. You know very well it happends sometimes. I'd be glad to see that whole pvp and i'm sure it'll proove he's not using anything. Look closer at this, why he turned only during the first backstab and not the second? It can be either texture bug, some random issue and or just coincidence.
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tell us which random crap program he using then?
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Quote from: Arcain on October 14, 2010, 01:50:12 AM
I can't explain that just as i can't explain people hitting daggers on hide during oly by using next target. You know very well it happends sometimes. I'd be glad to see that whole pvp and i'm sure it'll proove he's innocent.
No, it never happened by using "next target". It SUPPOSEDLY happened once, but after we discussed, we reached the conclusion that it's the same bug since for ever. He was using force attack in conjunction with next target, after having the dagger in target before doing hide. And it happened only because of force attacking.
So, as you see, everything can be explained : )
I am still waiting.
I watched this short movie, I also do find it strange I turned around, from what I see must've been a problem with geodata - I turned around after a small rising ended, then again, another 2 blows the dagger user gave me went through without and turning around issues - as well as all other blows duirng the pvps. I propose to analize all pvp footage (all fights at best during this day) to make sure I did not use any 3rd party programs.
Btw thanks for the pvp, was fun.
Cheers
I know there is a spot at chimeras with geodata problems and there might be others too, but i checked the one seen in the video and it's perfect, no problem. And furthermore, i don't know of any geodata problem that would cause your char to fully stop and turn around, coincidently perfectly facing your attacker. All logic points to one thing. I suppose you know what that is, right?
P.S. full video coming soon? I am kinda tired you know : (
I don't know how the programs such as anti-backstab work, but I believe, they have a common pattern of working, and one could check log files to be sure what command exactly was given from my side, but then again, would be alot easier to check whole pvp footage. I did not use any 3rd party programs, this short video does look very suspicious, I wonder myself what exactly happened, that's why checking the whole pvp video would give the best proof of my innocence.
Logs will show exactly what can be seen in the video also, but in a more technical matter. You stopped and turned towards your attacker. And that's exactly how anti backstab works. I ran the video in slow motion and you started turning in exactly the same moment the dagger char got out of hide.
Thing is, hide isn't canceled instantly as he casts a skill. If you watch in slow motion, hide is canceled when the casting skill bar of backstab reaches somewhere the middle. And that's the precise moment when you started turning, thus avoiding the backstab. All proof until now shows you as guilty. And your inability to come with a reasonable explanation, makes it even worse for you.
It is just a random situation, happened only once. If there is a need, I'll post my system log files, if you can make something out of them that is. Doing this once is suspicious, but proof would be catching me on such a thing twice - most would agree to this statement. So this movie isn't solid proof, it's just a suspicious situation demanding some inspection.
almost uploaded 10 mins max :p
That's why i requested the full movie. If it happens only once, i agree something is odd and it's possible you are innocent.
I know there are users here that have knowledge on how anti bs works. So please, if anyone knows, please tell me if it's possible to set up the program to avoid BS only if it comes from a dagger actively in hide. Thank you.
Nvm, ill stay a little longer, video is up.
Could you please publish that video? If they're so sure about it let everyone see it.
MV: http://www.filefront.com/17385272/stab2.avi/
Ok, watched the full fight and it happened just once. Very peculiar. I'll have to
meditate on this one : )
Until tomorrow, please someone answer to my question on pm:
Quote from: MichaelV on October 14, 2010, 02:37:45 AM
I know there are users here that have knowledge on how anti bs works. So please, if anyone knows, please tell me if it's possible to set up the program to avoid BS only if it comes from a dagger actively in hide. Thank you.
Any other comments to my pm.
I thought about this today and i also spoke with a few guys.
My thoughts: you can't turn like that ingame no matter what. A coincidence can happen to turn at the same moment when the dagger attacks you from hide but, stopping dead in your tracks and turning 180 degrees to perfectly face your attacker, WITHOUT casting any skill or doing any action, is impossible without some kind of 3rd party program.
The guys i asked for opinion: i will make it short; all of them said "anti backstab without a shadow of doubt".
Final decision: banned.