While it is obvious more players are going to vote for gracia final, I think it would be a mistake to not start the greatest L2 private server in anything that isn't the latest available, for the simple fact that players tend to flock to the latest version. Gracia Final would be severely lagging behind H5, GoD, Harmony, Tauti, ....
Just my opinion. The server will be successful regardless.
it doesnt make sense to say players normally go play latest version but also most players will vote for gf, u could discuss between h5 or gf but god they changed so many things just so u can pve up to 99, if more ppl vote for gf there must be a reason :o
keep in mind that there`s a good bunch of ppl, including me, that played everything beyond GF and might not like the changes.
I personally think that high five is still decent but not the best gameplay this game can offer, GoD is a total BS where the old school pvp feeling is gone and on top of this it offers you... wait for it... more annoying grind up to lvl 99 this time like grinding to 85 and enchanting skills was not enought; but like i said this are only my thoughts trying to argument your point of view!
About the new server anything that is 5 to 10x rates, has cakes (always awesome to xp on a free cake won by pvp), and is GF and... ooook let`s say HF is awesome and i`d definetly play it!
Quote from: dreph on July 04, 2012, 07:30:27 AM
keep in mind that there`s a good bunch of ppl, including me, that played everything beyond GF and might not like the changes.
I personally think that high five is still decent but not the best gameplay this game can offer, GoD is a total BS where the old school pvp feeling is gone and on top of this it offers you... wait for it... more annoying grind up to lvl 99 this time like grinding to 85 and enchanting skills was not enought; but like i said this are only my thoughts trying to argument your point of view!
About the new server anything that is 5 to 10x rates, has cakes (always awesome to xp on a free cake won by pvp), and is GF and... ooook let`s say HF is awesome and i`d definetly play it!
I haven't heard much about GoD, but leveling to 99 sounds like b.s., so I agree with you there. I think most people don't like changes because they are used to playing a class that can basically turn on god-mode. And then an update is released that has a balancing nerf, and they don't like it. There are many people still wanting to play interlude simply because they don't want to give up their kill-everything archers.
Quote from: Soul` on July 03, 2012, 10:30:36 PM
There will be a beta before server start? dont think you need to test smth at all but still ;D
I hope there will be something to test, i want to convince admins to tweak kamaels a bit and if they agree i will need to test the changes with a few players in beta. I'm thinking of increased cooldown for rush impact, lower land rate for lighting strike, a lower duration for disarm and making steal divinity as H5. Just some quick ideas for balancing these classes which are severely overpowered in GF.
if u are near cake u keep getting some buff which gives u +vitality while u pve, problem with h5 is ppl can pve in more places and get their items easier or just go instances while in gf the only place to hide is citadel ^_^
Quote from: MichaelV on July 04, 2012, 10:28:49 AM
Quote from: Soul` on July 03, 2012, 10:30:36 PM
There will be a beta before server start? dont think you need to test smth at all but still ;D
I hope there will be something to test, i want to convince admins to tweak kamaels a bit and if they agree i will need to test the changes with a few players in beta. I'm thinking of increased cooldown for rush impact, lower land rate for lighting strike, a lower duration for disarm and making steal divinity as H5. Just some quick ideas for balancing these classes which are severely overpowered in GF.
with this motivation nerf "op" dmg from daggers, "op" stats of tanks and so on..
oh well, i admit theyre op in some situations but theyre shitty farmers, very mana dependent and their dmg scales badly with enchants/items so eventually its balanced
the only reasonable change would be the h5 steal divinity but you should keep in mind in h5 it has lower cooldown due to new passive skill, the others are just so essential things you shouldnt change or they became totally useless, if you wanna "tweak" you should think about stun/paralyze duration nerfs, although with decent resistances theyre no more than few secs
My personal motivation for those changes:
Rush Impact: increased cooldown of the skill transforms the class from a 2 button masher one to one in which you actually have to use your brain to play. When you know you can't just spam the skill you need to think before you use it and decide which target (or group of targets depending on situation) to cast it on. Also, jumping around from target to target like in japanese animes is (personal opinion) (https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi3.kym-cdn.com%2Fentries%2Ficons%2Foriginal%2F000%2F008%2F910%2Fultra-gay.png&hash=08ee0350eb40bc6926dc12fe16ee733cca0dca70).
Also, it would give those parties that are more or less weaker equipped a fight chance. I've literally seen entire siege forces getting decimated by one party with a doombringer +++stun. This is clearly overpowered and needs to be addressed somehow. My idea is longer cooldown for the skill. Tempering with the chance to stun isn't recommended as in end game the skill doesn't land that much.
Lighting Strike: Lowered land rate since i don't believe there are any items against it, other then Dark Crystal set.
Disarm: Lowered debuff duration. Not sure how this one is in end game but as far as i remember it still lasted a crap load of time.
Steal divinity: I believe there is no need to explain this one, right?
All and in all, these are just ideas that will probably not even make it in the game. But just in case admins are open for this suggestion i will gladly read comments from you guys about this. Share your ideas and explain them as best as possible.
Everyone is free to have kamael in his party its enought balanced, dont need any changes. The only thing i would like to see is, combat zone at frintezza enterance :)
dont make customs, no need to change those skills. noobs will cry anyway. The game is balanced at end game
not like u would be able to change these skills when u couldnt even change/fix the most basic things)
dont even think about some custom changes, just fix GF PTS bugs and will be fine, just ppl that dony know hot to play will cry about kamalols
Quote from: sNd ✿◕ ‿ ◕✿ on July 04, 2012, 05:16:56 PM
not like u would be able to change these skills when u couldnt even change/fix the most basic things)
not rly, cuz u can easily edit skills in .txt file, when fixing pts bugs like 1hp needed advanced binary/reverse changes and hooking own .dll (afaik)
about nerfs, i would only change LS land rate, and just a little like ~10% max, cuz disarm/RI needs OE and epics to be THAT good.
the only things i`d actually change to the kamaels is:
1. Soul divinity
2. Disarm time
rest would just mess things up even more than fix
steal divinity - like on h5
lightning strike - a bit lower chance for para
rush - 2s cd
disarm - if its possible to make like mental attack
and for sure fixed 1hp ress:X:X
Quote from: Fatality, on July 04, 2012, 07:51:28 PM
steal divinity - like on h5
lightning strike - a bit lower chance for para
rush - 2s cd
disarm - if its possible to make like mental attack
and for sure fixed 1hp ress:X:X
Then you wold have to nerf tanks/daggers and OLs since they wouldnt have any competition at Oly if you nerf kamaels.
After you nerf those next one should be healers and prophet.
The only classes you dont have to nerf are bd and sws since they are crappy enough w/o it.
Think about it this way if you nerf the Kamaels then you will have to nerf something else, imagine mages without a counter like Berserker in 9v9 or mass PvP ? OLs are quite overpowered aswell, Seal Of Limit land rate and duration is sick, it can destroy a melee party without Mass cleanse ready in few seconds.
Not to even mention olympiad.
Edit: ^Groar was faster.
Have you considered simply making a GF with several H5 capabilities, including all class skills? And add things like the luxury shop system of H5, and the material recipes sold at the shop.
Basically a H5 server without the new exp areas.
just fix pts bugs and let it be .. its not some java x1000 wtf
heres summary of nerfs topic
Quote from: Tazman on July 04, 2012, 04:35:35 PM
Everyone is free to have kamael in his party its enought balanced, dont need any changes.
so stop with retarded suggestions >.>
Quote from: Groar on July 04, 2012, 07:58:08 PM
Quote from: Fatality, on July 04, 2012, 07:51:28 PM
steal divinity - like on h5
lightning strike - a bit lower chance for para
rush - 2s cd
disarm - if its possible to make like mental attack
and for sure fixed 1hp ress:X:X
Then you wold have to nerf tanks/daggers and OLs since they wouldnt have any competition at Oly if you nerf kamaels.
After you nerf those next one should be healers and prophet.
The only classes you dont have to nerf are bd and sws since they are crappy enough w/o it.
every class has hias weakness but kamaels are op even trickster with who are you able to one shot anyone
if they will nerf each skill which i wrote before only few ppl will play them like on h5. I just wrote some possibilities :)
ps: i forgot to fix mystic immunity:D:D
Quote from: MrCoffee on July 04, 2012, 08:03:35 PM
Have you considered simply making a GF with several H5 capabilities, including all class skills? And add things like the luxury shop system of H5, and the material recipes sold at the shop.
Basically a H5 server without the new exp areas.
and then cry about one shot by archers and perma no bufs from DA
Quote from: Sirius92 on July 04, 2012, 08:02:40 PM
Think about it this way if you nerf the Kamaels then you will have to nerf something else...
This implies that the game as it is now, is perfectly
balanced. Which it isn't, l2 has never been balanced, actually it't a hard thing to do in MMO's. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be tried to be done as balanced as possible.
As for making this modifications, it's extremely simple. It's nothing like 1hp problem. Anyway, i've shared this idea as i believed a more fun and balanced environment could be made, but since most of you are against it, then the idea will die here in this thread.
Leave skills alone ;)
1Hp - ressurection
Hide - bug
Skills enchant - bug
this is a problem :) when GF was here we had a lot of other class then kamaels
Quote from: Venum on July 04, 2012, 09:44:42 PM
1Hp - ressurection
Hide - bug
Skills enchant - bug
this is a problem :) when GF was here we had a lot of other class then kamaels
Just learned that those won't be a problem. We will have a beta to check them on in the future.
Quote from: MichaelV on July 04, 2012, 09:39:10 PM
Quote from: Sirius92 on July 04, 2012, 08:02:40 PM
Think about it this way if you nerf the Kamaels then you will have to nerf something else...
This implies that the game as it is now, is perfectly balanced. Which it isn't, l2 has never been balanced, actually it't a hard thing to do in MMO's. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be tried to be done as balanced as possible.
As for making this modifications, it's extremely simple. It's nothing like 1hp problem. Anyway, i've shared this idea as i believed a more fun and balanced environment could be made, but since most of you are against it, then the idea will die here in this thread.
MV, my point isn't that GF L2 is balanced but that making those changes could make it even more unbalanced. Consequences are unpredictable since we can just theorize here however I think nerfing Kamaels would benefit Mage setups which are already pretty strong in Gracia Final.
If anything has to be nerfed it should be LS and in very
slightly way affecting it's land rate.
Quote from: MichaelV on July 04, 2012, 09:50:03 PM
Quote from: Venum on July 04, 2012, 09:44:42 PM
1Hp - ressurection
Hide - bug
Skills enchant - bug
this is a problem :) when GF was here we had a lot of other class then kamaels
Just learned that those won't be a problem. We will have a beta to check them on in the future.
any info about fixed mystic immunity?:)
Quote from: Fatality, on July 04, 2012, 10:12:01 PM
Quote from: MichaelV on July 04, 2012, 09:50:03 PM
Quote from: Venum on July 04, 2012, 09:44:42 PM
1Hp - ressurection
Hide - bug
Skills enchant - bug
this is a problem :) when GF was here we had a lot of other class then kamaels
Just learned that those won't be a problem. We will have a beta to check them on in the future.
any info about fixed mystic immunity?:)
What's wrong with MI ? As far as I know Admins changed it on purpose back on x5 to benefit some
losing side but that's an old history... ::)
Kongor too strong
Do not touch anything at Kamael classes or it won't work correctly/more unbalance and shit, leave it as it is, everyone will have kamaels inside every teams, so it doesn't matter.
Better to fix :
- 1 HP rez
- Skills enchant bug
- Dances/songs bug
- Hide problem
alsow varka/ketra/HB quest bugs should be fixed
Quote from: Sirius92 on July 04, 2012, 10:16:56 PM
Quote from: Fatality, on July 04, 2012, 10:12:01 PM
Quote from: MichaelV on July 04, 2012, 09:50:03 PM
Quote from: Venum on July 04, 2012, 09:44:42 PM
1Hp - ressurection
Hide - bug
Skills enchant - bug
this is a problem :) when GF was here we had a lot of other class then kamaels
Just learned that those won't be a problem. We will have a beta to check them on in the future.
any info about fixed mystic immunity?:)
What's wrong with MI ? As far as I know Admins changed it on purpose back on x5 to benefit some losing side but that's an old history... ::) Kongor too strong
It makes one invincible to buff/debuff for a certain time. Usable only to party members.
so you wont get any buff even after you use it but as i was playing pp you was always able to use for example enlighment after immunity:)
so when every1 played, wtf kamaels are so broken, and now nobody want to change anything? :D
there is not any skill like rush/ls/steal or disarm and MV is talking about small changes that would be tested not about making kamaels useless and sirius why mages would benefit more than any other cp thats just nosense
if any skill / formula will be changed, most ppl wont play since noone likes customs wich cry babys ask for cus they suck too hard to get oly epics, TW Jewels, OE RE to resist such stuff as RI LS. randoms always gonna cry, if not op then about radar ;]
ANY class at GF can be beaten, it just need brain and gear.
its obvious that MV is a random who is always crying about smth op, please dont come with flaming and talkin like if u are anything just stop it there... anyway with this thread and even if ppl agreed dont think anything will be changed so nvm
Even if kamaels are overpowered, no one wants to change anything or it will be some lol custom server.
They couldn't fix 1 hp rez and etc and you really think of changing anything ? RLY ? Please don't destroy this server, thanks.
Quote from: Bulle on July 05, 2012, 12:09:38 AM
Even if kamaels are overpowered, no one wants to change anything or it will be some lol custom server.
They couldn't fix 1 hp rez and etc and you really think of changing anything ? RLY ? Please don't destroy this server, thanks.
nuff said by frenchy
Well i am glad that i am causing laughs, that actually makes me happy : )
But on the other hand, i will have to make you create more accounts to flame me. So keep it original, so i get some laughs too ; )
Quote from: Sirius92 on July 04, 2012, 10:03:05 PM
MV, my point isn't that GF L2 is balanced but that making those changes could make it even more unbalanced. Consequences are unpredictable since we can just theorize here however I think nerfing Kamaels would benefit Mage setups which are already pretty strong in Gracia Final.
That's why they would be tested in advanced and everyone could give their opinion after trying them. I am talking about small tweaks that would slightly nerf some op'ed classes.
But obviously, if the majority of the known member's opinion is against of course we will stop right here, most of the people here have more experience then me in lineage. The idea came as a results of countless complains against these classes along the years. And we did have a few years of GF on RPG.
Quote from: MichaelV on July 04, 2012, 04:22:55 PM
My personal motivation for those changes:
Rush Impact: increased cooldown of the skill transforms the class from a 2 button masher one to one in which you actually have to use your brain to play. When you know you can't just spam the skill you need to think before you use it and decide which target (or group of targets depending on situation) to cast it on. Also, jumping around from target to target like in japanese animes is (personal opinion) (https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi3.kym-cdn.com%2Fentries%2Ficons%2Foriginal%2F000%2F008%2F910%2Fultra-gay.png&hash=08ee0350eb40bc6926dc12fe16ee733cca0dca70).
Also, it would give those parties that are more or less weaker equipped a fight chance. I've literally seen entire siege forces getting decimated by one party with a doombringer +++stun. This is clearly overpowered and needs to be addressed somehow. My idea is longer cooldown for the skill. Tempering with the chance to stun isn't recommended as in end game the skill doesn't land that much.
Lighting Strike: Lowered land rate since i don't believe there are any items against it, other then Dark Crystal set.
Disarm: Lowered debuff duration. Not sure how this one is in end game but as far as i remember it still lasted a crap load of time.
Steal divinity: I believe there is no need to explain this one, right?
All and in all, these are just ideas that will probably not even make it in the game. But just in case admins are open for this suggestion i will gladly read comments from you guys about this. Share your ideas and explain them as best as possible.
Cool bro , briliant idea , why we would make this server GF if u wanna destroy it by lowering the skills , then lets add celestial of nuckers from h5 , the insane crusher of HK and many other shiets .
Maybe focus ur asses on the bugs which gracia final has before you come with this briliant idea.
Maybe think what u can do better for server to have a longer life than destroy it . And you said you will not interfer in this server in previous topic so stay out of this server discussions
tnx in advance
There was no plans about any changes in files beside bug fix.
it was just an idea which is already dead)
take it easy with mv , he made a suggestion , i would still prefer him as gm over the current one
Quote from: TheGrEEk ✿◕ ‿ ◕✿ on July 05, 2012, 04:36:52 AM
take it easy with mv , he made a suggestion , i would still prefer him as gm over the current one
u want to say this joscesmthing is gm now ? LOL
Quote from: n0click on July 05, 2012, 01:52:12 AM
Cool bro , briliant idea , why we would make this server GF if u wanna destroy it by lowering the skills , then lets add celestial of nuckers from h5 , the insane crusher of HK and many other shiets .
Maybe focus ur asses on the bugs which gracia final has before you come with this briliant idea.
Maybe think what u can do better for server to have a longer life than destroy it . And you said you will not interfer in this server in previous topic so stay out of this server discussions
tnx in advance
What is wrong with you people? Haven't i expressed my self clear enough? Bugs are fixed and this was just a personal idea of mine based on countless complaints from many many players about these issues that i
considered presenting to admins
if players might think it's good idea to
test and see what comes of it.
I don't understand where all this hate comes from? Can't you express your point of view in a decent manner?
I'm sorry for who ever appreciated my presence here along the years but i am tired of all of this. I wish you all loads of fun on the new RPG lineage server!
/agree with some ppl here , skills edit would be a waste of time and a inbalance to the party setup and to the ollympiad fights
Why MV lost his account ? ?
Josce owned him and took his position
I dont know what happend with MV acc, but i will ask, as long as its not personal information.
Quote from: kornez on July 04, 2012, 06:03:21 PM
Quote from: sNd ✿◕ ‿ ◕✿ on July 04, 2012, 05:16:56 PM
not like u would be able to change these skills when u couldnt even change/fix the most basic things)
not rly, cuz u can easily edit skills in .txt file, when fixing pts bugs like 1hp needed advanced binary/reverse changes and hooking own .dll (afaik)
the fixing of 1hp rez bug is a matter of changin one - to + ...
QuoteI'm sorry for who ever appreciated my presence here along the years but i am tired of all of this. I wish you all loads of fun on the new RPG lineage server!
guess he didnt want to waste more time here with such morons, as the only normal mod rpg ever had he tried to make this suggestion to make the server better, ppl didnt like it and like sheeps come to talk some bs and even try to make fun of Mv...
fakin retards MV come back
MV come back, RPG needs you )
it amazes me how many idiots still circle around this forum. and no, im not calling you idiots couse you are against MVs idea, but becouse the way you express your disagreement is on a level of a monkey.
huhu my SE will sux on GF:D
We demand MV bACK.
Quote from: Soul` on July 04, 2012, 11:04:43 PM
there is not any skill like rush/ls/steal or disarm and MV is talking about small changes that would be tested not about making kamaels useless and sirius why mages would benefit more than any other cp thats just nosense
I agree. Also MV has some good points. In my opinion steal divinity should be like on h5 definitely! Also rush impact skill re-use should be ++
Quote from: Soul` on July 05, 2012, 04:31:33 PM
QuoteI'm sorry for who ever appreciated my presence here along the years but i am tired of all of this. I wish you all loads of fun on the new RPG lineage server!
guess he didnt want to waste more time here with such morons, as the only normal mod rpg ever had he tried to make this suggestion to make the server better, ppl didnt like it and like sheeps come to talk some bs and even try to make fun of Mv...
+1
Quote from: Soul` on July 05, 2012, 04:31:33 PM
QuoteI'm sorry for who ever appreciated my presence here along the years but i am tired of all of this. I wish you all loads of fun on the new RPG lineage server!
guess he didnt want to waste more time here with such morons, as the only normal mod rpg ever had he tried to make this suggestion to make the server better, ppl didnt like it and like sheeps come to talk some bs and even try to make fun of Mv...
If he deleted his account coz some ppl disagreed with his opinion than i wont rly miss him -.-
yea right stop talking if u dont know anything at all lol
get MV back in here or team murk won't play
ye you heard me, you won't have hero paly competetion.
Get a life guys.
Seriously.
said by a guy who pays for pixels.
I have too much money when you still have no work and any experience, your parients still paying your food while you still playing 24/7?
When i left this game "thanks god" :) i reward my all items to a friend and i gave my char to another one.. You think i care for money?
Get a life then come and talk to me kid.
when you pay for pixels you cant call no one nolifer, dont you get it?and i am sure i have a better live then you "rich" man.but you are nice since guys like you pay me money for doing smthing from which i have fun.
talk to me when you realise games are for kids.
You sux in rea life like you sux in game also, tell your nick name to i say "this mf was in S grade" nonlifer like 24/7 and still playing with sh1t things like Titoz.
This game for me was like get some fun smashing some nonlifers kids 24/7.
i played x15 when it was worth it and ebayed when server died which was like 3-4 months before you joined)
Whatever, i sure 100% you gonna lose again 24/7 of your pretty life to play this new server game.
GL bro.
i will lose a month in the winter to have fun, and make some money.but i think you should lose a month to learn some english even though you are old and rich ;s
gl)
I know 3 differents lenguage when you think that your english is perfect. Get a life kid you make money with this game? x0ax0ax0axa0x get rich with l2 idiot.
morons plz stop posting
lol that avatar PEANUTBUTTERS
Quote from: aYotech on July 07, 2012, 01:26:07 AM
get MV back in here or team murk won't play
ye you heard me, you won't have hero paly competetion.
we get 9 today ,you get 5 tommorow ?:D
ayotech why did u steal my bd items u piece of shit garbage mexican
Hi all :D
Quote from: Groar on July 06, 2012, 08:29:47 PM
If he deleted his account coz some ppl disagreed with his opinion than i wont rly miss him -.-
nah, just cus some monkeys haven't heard of constructive criticism
fix bugs let the rest be what it alwayes has been, excuse for win/lose and great topic of flames )))
Quote from: dreph on July 04, 2012, 07:00:35 PM
the only things i`d actually change to the kamaels is:
1. Soul divinity
2. Disarm time
rest would just mess things up even more than fix
+++++
and stun land rate :)
Quote from: NumberOne on July 10, 2012, 12:00:44 AM
Quote from: dreph on July 04, 2012, 07:00:35 PM
the only things i`d actually change to the kamaels is:
1. Soul divinity
2. Disarm time
rest would just mess things up even more than fix
+++++
and stun land rate :)
huhu i think better is to delete them nerf cirse of divinity steal divinity ri disarm deathmark and go be happy for 0 kamaels in server :D
I hope admins won't listen to these cry-babies and won't turn this server into custom crap. Everyone can have a soulhound or doombringer in their group. Sure those skills are annoying but so is 3232 other stuff in this game, just deal with it.
I'm sure, same as me, many other people will lose will to play here if admins mess up these awesome files because of handless people crying "NERDS THIZCLASS CUZ I SUCK PLXX QQ"
cheers~
this is to be according to the poll so far a gf low rate server. fix the gf pts bugs and leave the rest alone.
Alice said in the other thread they have fixes. They probably got the extender which has stuff fixed but i think there still are exploits in there that aren't fixed.
Quote from: MOTHER RUSSIA on July 10, 2012, 12:55:05 PM
Alice said in the other thread they have fixes. They probably got the extender which has stuff fixed but i think there still are exploits in there that aren't fixed.
There are fixes, but it isn't fixed. Nice.
fix the fixes
Quote from: CrossFirepwnz on July 10, 2012, 01:31:01 PM
Quote from: MOTHER RUSSIA on July 10, 2012, 12:55:05 PM
Alice said in the other thread they have fixes. They probably got the extender which has stuff fixed but i think there still are exploits in there that aren't fixed.
There are fixes, but it isn't fixed. Nice.
I am talking about these fixes http://www.depmax64.com/forums/showthread.php?t=629 they are many but for example, there is nothing there about the attribute on jewels thing. I remember a fame dupe too in gf and it isn't fixed in there. But at least it is much better then simple gf pts.
The fame dupe was already fixed on x15 if I'm not wrong. And about those jewels it was a visual bug from chars transfered from x5 to x15 when servers got merged as far as I know.
Quote from: Sirius92 on July 10, 2012, 02:48:07 PM
The fame dupe was already fixed on x15 if I'm not wrong. And about those jewels it was a visual bug from chars transfered from x5 to x15 when servers got merged as far as I know.
No, it is not visual bug, i can assure you.
The only change you could possibly make to tone down the power level on kamaels would be a 1s reuse on rushimpact and perhaphs a 5s reuse on lightning shock. Nerfing the landing rates of stun will make the skill utter pointless in mass pvp but nerfing the reuse actually cuts down the spam by half. Lightning shock has a really high land rate but the main issue is that it's too spammable and generally too effective especially if chained. With a higher reuse of 5s or so you won't really perma para people in olympiad anymore and the effects on mass pvp will be toned down a little. There's really not much point trying to 'balance' classes all that much because people will soon start complaining about others eventually. These very small tweaks should do the trick.
And please stay in GF. GoD is complete bullshit and is nothing like this game anymore. New level cap, nearly zero new end game zones, all classes are destroyed with all skills replaced by generic warrior/mage/healer stuff you see in every mmo, everything instanced, crafting unexistant, nearly all gear is given out for free, the 1-85 part of the game becomes completly worthless and a 3 day ride in official rates, stupid class imbalance (mages in god are about the same thing as older chronicles), instanced clan halls, stupid shiny gay looking lazor beam skills with clones and transformations, and the whole emphasis of the game revolves around doing shitty daily/weekly quests and instances that give you 1/3rd of a level where mobs give you 0.0001% exp on your way to 99. Olympiad with only 8 classes is also retarded, and most game systems are also gone (catacombs, 7 signs, stupid PVP rules where you need to kill 700 mobs to remove 1 PK and no you can't die out karma anymore). Also the new classes are quite retarded and offer zero variety because races only affect normal stats (which were normalized to vary very little among races), and race skills with 1 hr reuse (and for some stupid reason you get to keep 1 skill from your previous class, making things like human tyr warriors superior to any other due to duelist spirit not being deleted, etc). Also most epics are given away on events and the cash shop is stupid retarded and gives away jewels, sets, weapons and all sorts of exp boosts. Pay2win game.
Stop thinking of any changes omg, just fix the bugs and END
everything starkey said is right if u dont like it then go play ur broken kamaels stupid sheeps
if u think some classes are op and u nerf :D some other class that couldnt kill it would get op coz wouldnt have weakness and u would cry about that, so pls just leave this topic, just fix 1hp ress bug etc so the game wont be so retarted
Quote from: Soul` on July 10, 2012, 03:26:20 PM
everything starkey said is right if u dont like it then go play ur broken kamaels stupid sheeps
BRmoron
Quote from: ex-so on July 10, 2012, 03:27:45 PM
if u think some classes are op and u nerf :D some other class that couldnt kill it would get op coz wouldnt have weakness and u would cry about that, so pls just leave this topic, just fix 1hp ress bug etc so the game wont be so retarted
ur avatar sux, now go cry
and if u think zerk/slh are not op then stop crying about teemo ;D;D;;D
Quote from: Soul` on July 10, 2012, 03:37:14 PM
Quote from: ex-so on July 10, 2012, 03:27:45 PM
if u think some classes are op and u nerf :D some other class that couldnt kill it would get op coz wouldnt have weakness and u would cry about that, so pls just leave this topic, just fix 1hp ress bug etc so the game wont be so retarted
ur avatar sux, now go cry
and if u think zerk/slh are not op then stop crying about teemo ;D;D;;D
.!. better?
C4 server plx!!!
Quote from: Sirius92 on July 10, 2012, 02:48:07 PM
The fame dupe was already fixed on x15 if I'm not wrong. And about those jewels it was a visual bug from chars transfered from x5 to x15 when servers got merged as far as I know.
Oh yeah i remember now, when they merged the servers a lot of stupid stuff like this happened, so it wasn't really an exploit, it was caused by errors in the database, so it won't happen on a clean server. Only mystery left is the fame dupe, since it is not fixed in the depmax extender. I hope RPG really fixed it, that would make the server perfect as depmax fixed all other bugs and exploits (1hp was fixed, SoD was fixed, hide was fixed, 3vs3 oly points was fixed, 10 max oly points per match was fixed, song/dance exploit was fixed etc.).
Actually, there is one thing that depmax did not fixed, Beleth! Although this can be fixed by admins giving the jewel to who ever manages to kill him.
any info about soul shock and mystic immunity fix?
Quote from: MOTHER RUSSIA on July 10, 2012, 04:29:18 PM
Actually, there is one thing that depmax did not fixed, Beleth! Although this can be fixed by admins giving the jewel to who ever manages to kill him.
124) Fixed Fame Point Overflow Issues (Hack).
anyway, i doubt that ruskies spent 1k $ for depmax, if they was working on own extender :D
Or, seeing as they are ruskies and all, they might be able to get the extender without paying for it :))
Also, RPG working on their own extender? In what univers? :P
make it HellBound, be real, the best chronicle ever was interlude, but after play it a lot of time gets kinda bored, hellbound isn't so different from IL, but have few new good things, but isn't so horrible like gracia, freya,h5 and god...
my vote is for HB.
Quote from: Xav1er on July 11, 2012, 08:37:34 PM
make it HellBound, be real, the best chronicle ever was interlude, but after play it a lot of time gets kinda bored, hellbound isn't so different from IL, but have few new good things, but isn't so horrible like gracia, freya,h5 and god...
my vote is for HB.
-1
mv decided to kill himself? smartest romanian i have ever seen.
moir my best pl frand!
Kamalols, kamalols everywhere
I personally suggest to nerf a bit classes like Phantom Summoner, which I find to be extremely OP.
English - JV
Quote from: TheDownSyndrome on July 12, 2012, 02:21:28 PM
I personally suggest to nerf a bit classes like Phantom Summoner, which I find to be extremely OP.
I agree, it is OP. But if you nerf it you have to nerf everything else, like we already discussed.
Quote from: niebylemnigdy on July 12, 2012, 03:12:28 PM
pacek twoj stary to tom cruse i cie wyslal do scjentologow zebys fajki lizal duchowym przywodcom.
ale jaja lol
fix all bugs except HIDE ty
Everyone is talking about fixes and stuff, how about we down-grade this shit to C3?
trololololol I might enjoy this again seriously :X
Quote from: sEEEEb on July 12, 2012, 08:58:02 PM
Everyone is talking about fixes and stuff, how about we down-grade this shit to C3?
too hardcore for scurbs wich play here, C3 was balanced, since there was no such an advantage on pvp/oly such as anty valakas tezza zaken baium etc. here there play greeks like orfanos that cock suck you for oly points to make hero and try to be pro, , or romos like awaken wich promise you an anthy for pwning the server and tell next one gonna be urs. its a scrub server, wich gear only counts, even randoms from tz wud pwn oranfos at oly if they had same gear, but still, we love this chronice, even ppl like moir, orfanos, exina etc etc think they pro.
Is C3 the chronicle where you had to click shots? if yes then i doubt its possible to play it for most of pros who click skills with mouse ;p
Quote from: xpto on July 13, 2012, 01:24:17 AM
Quote from: sEEEEb on July 12, 2012, 08:58:02 PM
Everyone is talking about fixes and stuff, how about we down-grade this shit to C3?
C3 was balanced, since there was no such an advantage on oly
nice game knowledge, there was no oly in c3, lol
and u were the one blowing every1 for points on oly when phocuz was 2 shotin u, not to mention these epic rages on ts :D
Quote from: kornez on July 13, 2012, 02:49:30 AM
Quote from: xpto on July 13, 2012, 01:24:17 AM
Quote from: sEEEEb on July 12, 2012, 08:58:02 PM
Everyone is talking about fixes and stuff, how about we down-grade this shit to C3?
C3 was balanced, since there was no such an advantage on oly
nice game knowledge, there was no oly in c3, lol
and u were the one blowing every1 for points on oly when phocuz was 2 shotin u, not to mention these epic rages on ts :D
ofc there was no oly, but there was also no attri 150, 300 etc. that made the game more balanced between normal players and no lifer. at gracia final, w/o good clan, good cp. u will never have a chance at mass pvps at anthi etc. if everyone wud have equal gear, the game wud be much more intresting. but that wont happen. too bad i didnt record ur rage when randoms pwnd you while u were bottling there chims to make some money on allegro xD.
Stop worrying about bugs on GF, one more day and H5 will be the winner https://www.rpg-club.org/new_server_poll/
Good job for the fuker that added 1000+ votes for H5 in the last 5 days. From 67% GF a week ago, now we have 44% GF and 39% H5. Max 2 days H5 will be ahead.
Hopefully admins will check the vote and delete the votes from the idiot that wasted his life in the past week to create fake account votes.
Quote from: xpto on July 13, 2012, 01:30:50 PM
Quote from: kornez on July 13, 2012, 02:49:30 AM
Quote from: xpto on July 13, 2012, 01:24:17 AM
Quote from: sEEEEb on July 12, 2012, 08:58:02 PM
Everyone is talking about fixes and stuff, how about we down-grade this shit to C3?
C3 was balanced, since there was no such an advantage on oly
nice game knowledge, there was no oly in c3, lol
and u were the one blowing every1 for points on oly when phocuz was 2 shotin u, not to mention these epic rages on ts :D
ofc there was no oly, but there was also no attri 150, 300 etc. that made the game more balanced between normal players and no lifer. at gracia final, w/o good clan, good cp. u will never have a chance at mass pvps at anthi etc. if everyone wud have equal gear, the game wud be much more intresting. but that wont happen. too bad i didnt record ur rage when randoms pwnd you while u were bottling there chims to make some money on allegro xD.
yea c3 would be perfect for people like you - who gets kicked from ooc by melady and has his whole cp running away cause scamming is daily domain.
Enough - JV
kicked? i left myself u delusional scrub.
wtf..who is creating hotmails +facebook accounts to vote for h5 lol pathetic ppl dont have what to do ::)
Quote from: xpto on July 13, 2012, 03:27:14 PM
kicked? i left myself u delusional scrub.
melady: pto u have 5 seconds to leave clam or i will kick you
pto: ok ok i leave
taking it to the whole next level.
Quote from: niebylemnigdy on July 13, 2012, 06:47:16 PM
Quote from: xpto on July 13, 2012, 03:27:14 PM
kicked? i left myself u delusional scrub.
melady: pto u have 5 seconds to leave clam or i will kick you
pto: ok ok i leave
taking it to the whole next level.
cut the flame or i will punish you too - JV
Quote from: xpto on July 13, 2012, 07:27:02 PM
Quote from: niebylemnigdy on July 13, 2012, 06:47:16 PM
Quote from: xpto on July 13, 2012, 03:27:14 PM
kicked? i left myself u delusional scrub.
melady: pto u have 5 seconds to leave clam or i will kick you
pto: ok ok i leave
taking it to the whole next level.
nice bullshit ur posting on forums, brain damaged polish scrub. seems like it still hurts you ur cp died in 10 sec 9vs9.
right after or before u lost 2vs9 with russian driver?
Quote from: TheUnReal on July 13, 2012, 03:48:22 PM
wtf..who is creating hotmails +facebook accounts to vote for h5 lol pathetic ppl dont have what to do ::)
You think this is done by one person, but it may be a group of 1-2 mad russian CP's. Then 1000+ votes in 5 days is nothing.
Quote from: niebylemnigdy on July 13, 2012, 07:52:10 PM
Quote from: xpto on July 13, 2012, 07:27:02 PM
Quote from: niebylemnigdy on July 13, 2012, 06:47:16 PM
Quote from: xpto on July 13, 2012, 03:27:14 PM
kicked? i left myself u delusional scrub.
melady: pto u have 5 seconds to leave clam or i will kick you
pto: ok ok i leave
taking it to the whole next level.
nice bullshit ur posting on forums, brain damaged polish scrub. seems like it still hurts you ur cp died in 10 sec 9vs9.
right after or before u lost 2vs9 with russian driver?
delusional, u won 2vs9 ofc u did, in ur dreams scrub, ur cp was trash, same as you
Quote from: xpto on July 13, 2012, 08:13:19 PM
Quote from: niebylemnigdy on July 13, 2012, 07:52:10 PM
Quote from: xpto on July 13, 2012, 07:27:02 PM
Quote from: niebylemnigdy on July 13, 2012, 06:47:16 PM
Quote from: xpto on July 13, 2012, 03:27:14 PM
kicked? i left myself u delusional scrub.
melady: pto u have 5 seconds to leave clam or i will kick you
pto: ok ok i leave
taking it to the whole next level.
nice bullshit ur posting on forums, brain damaged polish scrub. seems like it still hurts you ur cp died in 10 sec 9vs9.
right after or before u lost 2vs9 with russian driver?
delusional, u won 2vs9 ofc u did, in ur dreams scrub, ur cp was trash, same as you
:D
i was worst slh after awaken/d0ggy, but still u never won vs me at oly. what does it prove? ;]
Quote from: niebylemnigdy on July 13, 2012, 08:24:06 PM
Quote from: xpto on July 13, 2012, 08:13:19 PM
Quote from: niebylemnigdy on July 13, 2012, 07:52:10 PM
Quote from: xpto on July 13, 2012, 07:27:02 PM
Quote from: niebylemnigdy on July 13, 2012, 06:47:16 PM
Quote from: xpto on July 13, 2012, 03:27:14 PM
kicked? i left myself u delusional scrub.
melady: pto u have 5 seconds to leave clam or i will kick you
pto: ok ok i leave
taking it to the whole next level.
nice bullshit ur posting on forums, brain damaged polish scrub. seems like it still hurts you ur cp died in 10 sec 9vs9.
right after or before u lost 2vs9 with russian driver?
delusional, u won 2vs9 ofc u did, in ur dreams scrub, ur cp was trash, same as you
:D
i was worst slh after awaken/d0ggy, but still u never won vs me at oly. what does it prove? ;]
What u mean with "worst slh after awaken" ? Awaken was one of the best, if not best slh on start of server.
that slh are so imba even u can win smth xaxa
Quote from: niebylemnigdy on July 13, 2012, 08:24:06 PM
Quote from: xpto on July 13, 2012, 08:13:19 PM
Quote from: niebylemnigdy on July 13, 2012, 07:52:10 PM
Quote from: xpto on July 13, 2012, 07:27:02 PM
Quote from: niebylemnigdy on July 13, 2012, 06:47:16 PM
Quote from: xpto on July 13, 2012, 03:27:14 PM
kicked? i left myself u delusional scrub.
melady: pto u have 5 seconds to leave clam or i will kick you
pto: ok ok i leave
taking it to the whole next level.
nice bullshit ur posting on forums, brain damaged polish scrub. seems like it still hurts you ur cp died in 10 sec 9vs9.
right after or before u lost 2vs9 with russian driver?
delusional, u won 2vs9 ofc u did, in ur dreams scrub, ur cp was trash, same as you
:D
i was worst slh after awaken/d0ggy, but still u never won vs me at oly. what does it prove? ;]
never? lol agian delusional,
Quote from: xpto on July 13, 2012, 10:37:24 PM
Quote from: niebylemnigdy on July 13, 2012, 08:24:06 PM
Quote from: xpto on July 13, 2012, 08:13:19 PM
Quote from: niebylemnigdy on July 13, 2012, 07:52:10 PM
Quote from: xpto on July 13, 2012, 07:27:02 PM
Quote from: niebylemnigdy on July 13, 2012, 06:47:16 PM
Quote from: xpto on July 13, 2012, 03:27:14 PM
kicked? i left myself u delusional scrub.
melady: pto u have 5 seconds to leave clam or i will kick you
pto: ok ok i leave
taking it to the whole next level.
nice bullshit ur posting on forums, brain damaged polish scrub. seems like it still hurts you ur cp died in 10 sec 9vs9.
right after or before u lost 2vs9 with russian driver?
delusional, u won 2vs9 ofc u did, in ur dreams scrub, ur cp was trash, same as you
:D
i was worst slh after awaken/d0ggy, but still u never won vs me at oly. what does it prove? ;]
never? lol agian delusional,
ok, 1-2 times when i relogged. dont use words u dont understand or you gonna make ph0cuz sad.
Quote from: Harima on July 13, 2012, 08:09:19 PM
Quote from: TheUnReal on July 13, 2012, 03:48:22 PM
wtf..who is creating hotmails +facebook accounts to vote for h5 lol pathetic ppl dont have what to do ::)
You think this is done by one person, but it may be a group of 1-2 mad russian CP's. Then 1000+ votes in 5 days is nothing.
lol ofc its not from 1 person but still 1 person made over 100 accs
Quote from: MOTHER RUSSIA on July 13, 2012, 01:34:34 PM
Stop worrying about bugs on GF, one more day and H5 will be the winner https://www.rpg-club.org/new_server_poll/
Good job for the fuker that added 1000+ votes for H5 in the last 5 days. From 67% GF a week ago, now we have 44% GF and 39% H5. Max 2 days H5 will be ahead.
Hopefully admins will check the vote and delete the votes from the idiot that wasted his life in the past week to create fake account votes.
Best vote system ever anyway.
are u fcking serious? ppl voting h5 40% and 41% gracia finall... for real if rpg put another h5 server go dead fucking fast
Quote from: GetUp on July 15, 2012, 11:52:07 PM
He/She or they did one mistake which has no sense, everyone who voted probably have chosen rates also.
What chronicles do you prefer for the new server?
1581+3721+3791=9093 votes
What type of server is the most attractive to you?
3659+1131+451 =5241
H5 lover forgot select vote for second question or is he too lazy or tired?
n1 sherlock
Quote from: GetUp on July 15, 2012, 11:52:07 PM
He/She or they did one mistake which has no sense, everyone who voted probably have chosen rates also.
What chronicles do you prefer for the new server?
1581+3721+3791=9093 votes
What type of server is the most attractive to you?
3659+1131+451 =5241
H5 lover forgot select vote for second question or is he too lazy or tired?
or mby he just liked the x3,x5,x7 and didnt vote for it.
Quote from: GetUp on July 15, 2012, 11:52:07 PM
H5 lover forgot select vote for second question or is he too lazy or tired?
or maybe script malfunction
Quote from: Bulle on July 15, 2012, 09:48:11 PM
Quote from: MOTHER RUSSIA on July 13, 2012, 01:34:34 PM
Stop worrying about bugs on GF, one more day and H5 will be the winner https://www.rpg-club.org/new_server_poll/
Good job for the fuker that added 1000+ votes for H5 in the last 5 days. From 67% GF a week ago, now we have 44% GF and 39% H5. Max 2 days H5 will be ahead.
Hopefully admins will check the vote and delete the votes from the idiot that wasted his life in the past week to create fake account votes.
Best vote system ever anyway.
Woot?!!
It's look like russian reality show this vote xD
shit... maybe even i come and play :D didnt touch l2 for years
jiji chivas cuming to clone all dem demon horns and encahnt stuff +30 at lvl 76 JIJI
Quote from: xenom on July 17, 2012, 03:36:48 AM
jiji chivas cuming to clone all dem demon horns and encahnt stuff +30 at lvl 76 JIJI
IJIJ ? are u retarded?
Quote from: xenom on July 17, 2012, 03:36:48 AM
jiji chivas cuming to clone all dem demon horns and encahnt stuff +30 at lvl 76 JIJI
JIJIJIJIJIJI yes jizz in yr pants
Quote from: kornez on July 17, 2012, 03:42:48 AM
Quote from: xenom on July 17, 2012, 03:36:48 AM
jiji chivas cuming to clone all dem demon horns and encahnt stuff +30 at lvl 76 JIJI
IJIJ ? are u retarded?
clueless tard wont even waste my time explaining the jiji kewlness go google it now
Quote from: xenom on July 17, 2012, 11:04:54 PM
clueless tard wont even waste my time explaining the jiji kewlness go google it now
u failed while tryin to be KEWL, if that supposed to mean GG :)
u fail there since i dont has to try to be KEWL since im Kewl JIJI
gracia final hell yeah so i can level some kamael to beat down ebayed daggers aka vasselina
Why not Interlude? That was a manly chronicle.
Quote from: KayKay on July 28, 2012, 01:12:13 AM
Why not Interlude? That was a manly chronicle.
ofc u make a archer and F1 attack hit 3k pro chronicle
Quote from: xenom on July 17, 2012, 03:36:48 AM
jiji chivas cuming to clone all dem demon horns and encahnt stuff +30 at lvl 76 JIJI
wellcum Chivas Regal ! JIJIJI
Quote from: Mikuu on July 28, 2012, 03:50:28 PM
Quote from: KayKay on July 28, 2012, 01:12:13 AM
Why not Interlude? That was a manly chronicle.
ofc u make a archer and F1 attack hit 3k pro chronicle
Not to mention all the necro's and gladiators!
gracia final is just fine ;)