Here's the thing:
have normal icarus dagger and blows +earth. Today bought icarus dual dagger +25 wind. I don't know if I should make it stricte pve dagger by going +holy or maybe if I should make it +earth as well or maybe leave it +wind, since vesper shaper +wind seems to be bit more popular than +earth.
Want to find out from H5 specs. if using dual daggers in pvp makes any sense. Dual dagger provide extra blow, but from what I've heard land rate of regulars blows (deadly, bs, lethal) is lower comparing with singular dagger. Dunno if it's true. Another thing: singular dagger has CD SA while dual has focus.
To conclude:
1. is it just my opinion/observation or is vesper shaper wind is more popular than earth?
2. which dagger is better in pvp in H5? Regular one or dual?
Make it what ever element you want and put your skills on duel
Dual dagger = only useful when there is PvP on it to cancel
as far as I know going +duel makes sense only with blows +25 or higher, but I might be wrong tho.
Quote from: yoker on December 13, 2011, 11:53:02 PM
Here's the thing:
have normal icarus dagger and blows +earth. Today bought icarus dual dagger +25 wind. I don't know if I should make it stricte pve dagger by going +holy or maybe if I should make it +earth as well or maybe leave it +wind, since vesper shaper +wind seems to be bit more popular than +earth.
Want to find out from H5 specs. if using dual daggers in pvp makes any sense. Dual dagger provide extra blow, but from what I've heard land rate of regulars blows (deadly, bs, lethal) is lower comparing with singular dagger. Dunno if it's true. Another thing: singular dagger has CD SA while dual has focus.
To conclude:
1. is it just my opinion/observation or is vesper shaper wind is more popular than earth?
2. which dagger is better in pvp in H5? Regular one or dual?
need both ;)
btw, according to all classes and weapons - whats better after all? duel or element enchant?
Quote from: Caandril on December 15, 2011, 07:06:48 PM
btw, according to all classes and weapons - whats better after all? duel or element enchant?
duel > power > element
Quote from: Fatality, on December 15, 2011, 07:12:43 PM
Quote from: Caandril on December 15, 2011, 07:06:48 PM
btw, according to all classes and weapons - whats better after all? duel or element enchant?
duel > power > element
are you sure about it? I think that you refer to situation with 1800 resist. But with 900 (or less) ele isn't bad idea I think.
Quote from: yoker on December 16, 2011, 12:18:26 AM
Quote from: Fatality, on December 15, 2011, 07:12:43 PM
Quote from: Caandril on December 15, 2011, 07:06:48 PM
btw, according to all classes and weapons - whats better after all? duel or element enchant?
duel > power > element
are you sure about it? I think that you refer to situation with 1800 resist. But with 900 (or less) ele isn't bad idea I think.
element skills sux .... it isnt so hard to make 900 set and you will have if you are not idiot 120resist at least for each element and also every1 will have elemental protect so from your 300 attributed weapon you will get max 160attr and it isnt here so hard to get some resists buff which are boosted also and btw attribut damage was decreased.
300=+70%
150=+40%
35=+20% if i am right
Wait some weeks, and change skills to duel, use 1H dagger sa CD ;)
1h dagger and dual daggers +4 both pvp same dmg, tested on OBT so imo dual daggers are best :)
Quote from: mk89 on December 29, 2011, 09:57:52 PM
1h dagger and dual daggers +4 both pvp same dmg, tested on OBT so imo dual daggers are best :)
You're wrong, test it again and prove with screenshots, 1h daggers with SA CD make more dmg than dual daggers that have no SA (-CD) and remember that dual dagger +4 got 2-3% lower CD then 1H Dagger +CD
Is like eyolis said, the propose to use dual daggers is only for cancel ofc if u have it on {pvp} and for PVE.
Quote from: Wayne on December 29, 2011, 11:32:09 PM
Quote from: mk89 on December 29, 2011, 09:57:52 PM
1h dagger and dual daggers +4 both pvp same dmg, tested on OBT so imo dual daggers are best :)
You're wrong, test it again and prove with screenshots, 1h daggers with SA CD make more dmg than dual daggers that have no SA (-CD) and remember that dual dagger +4 got 2-3% lower CD then 1H Dagger +CD
Is like eyolis said, the propose to use dual daggers is only for cancel ofc if u have it on {pvp} and for PVE.
with duals u get Special Ability: PvP Damage Lv.1 that is equal to 1H dagger Special Ability: Crtical Damage Lv.3 u will make same dmg with both daggers and the only reason dual daggers are better is that u can use dual blow and have more dps. when u add pvp on dual daggers u get Special Ability: PvP Damage Lv.3 while on 1H dagger its only lvl1 :) so I don't need any screens it's just pure facts... go test urself and qq then.
Quote from: mk89 on January 01, 2012, 11:49:33 PM
Quote from: Wayne on December 29, 2011, 11:32:09 PM
Quote from: mk89 on December 29, 2011, 09:57:52 PM
1h dagger and dual daggers +4 both pvp same dmg, tested on OBT so imo dual daggers are best :)
You're wrong, test it again and prove with screenshots, 1h daggers with SA CD make more dmg than dual daggers that have no SA (-CD) and remember that dual dagger +4 got 2-3% lower CD then 1H Dagger +CD
Is like eyolis said, the propose to use dual daggers is only for cancel ofc if u have it on {pvp} and for PVE.
with duals u get Special Ability: PvP Damage Lv.1 that is equal to 1H dagger Special Ability: Crtical Damage Lv.3 u will make same dmg with both daggers and the only reason dual daggers are better is that u can use dual blow and have more dps. when u add pvp on dual daggers u get Special Ability: PvP Damage Lv.3 while on 1H dagger its only lvl1 :) so I don't need any screens it's just pure facts... go test urself and qq then.
i hope you realize that all weapons above top A(?) get extra pvp damage when you SA them, it's not just dual daggers, single handed daggers also get it.
Quote from: hello on January 02, 2012, 12:27:52 AM
Quote from: mk89 on January 01, 2012, 11:49:33 PM
Quote from: Wayne on December 29, 2011, 11:32:09 PM
Quote from: mk89 on December 29, 2011, 09:57:52 PM
1h dagger and dual daggers +4 both pvp same dmg, tested on OBT so imo dual daggers are best :)
You're wrong, test it again and prove with screenshots, 1h daggers with SA CD make more dmg than dual daggers that have no SA (-CD) and remember that dual dagger +4 got 2-3% lower CD then 1H Dagger +CD
Is like eyolis said, the propose to use dual daggers is only for cancel ofc if u have it on {pvp} and for PVE.
with duals u get Special Ability: PvP Damage Lv.1 that is equal to 1H dagger Special Ability: Crtical Damage Lv.3 u will make same dmg with both daggers and the only reason dual daggers are better is that u can use dual blow and have more dps. when u add pvp on dual daggers u get Special Ability: PvP Damage Lv.3 while on 1H dagger its only lvl1 :) so I don't need any screens it's just pure facts... go test urself and qq then.
i hope you realize that all weapons above top A(?) get extra pvp damage when you SA them, it's not just dual daggers, single handed daggers also get it.
o rly?
http://base.l2j.ru/index.php?p=2&id=14127
http://base.l2j.ru/index.php?p=2&id=13884
Now u can start troll that it's l2j database :)
noobs daggers
Quote from: Soul` on January 02, 2012, 12:34:50 AM
noobs daggers
don't have anything smart to say gtfo retard ::)
did u say smth smart? missed it sorry
New Dual blow skill is not a lol reason to roll to dual daggers.. So i still prefer for pvps 1H daggers with SA CD!
If you prefer dual daggers is your problem.. GL & HF.
ye tell that to ur grandmother :D I posted facts and u just write post with no backup :D so go make screens when server is up or just stfu dude :D
Quote from: mk89 on January 02, 2012, 12:33:51 AM
Quote from: hello on January 02, 2012, 12:27:52 AM
Quote from: mk89 on January 01, 2012, 11:49:33 PM
Quote from: Wayne on December 29, 2011, 11:32:09 PM
Quote from: mk89 on December 29, 2011, 09:57:52 PM
1h dagger and dual daggers +4 both pvp same dmg, tested on OBT so imo dual daggers are best :)
You're wrong, test it again and prove with screenshots, 1h daggers with SA CD make more dmg than dual daggers that have no SA (-CD) and remember that dual dagger +4 got 2-3% lower CD then 1H Dagger +CD
Is like eyolis said, the propose to use dual daggers is only for cancel ofc if u have it on {pvp} and for PVE.
with duals u get Special Ability: PvP Damage Lv.1 that is equal to 1H dagger Special Ability: Crtical Damage Lv.3 u will make same dmg with both daggers and the only reason dual daggers are better is that u can use dual blow and have more dps. when u add pvp on dual daggers u get Special Ability: PvP Damage Lv.3 while on 1H dagger its only lvl1 :) so I don't need any screens it's just pure facts... go test urself and qq then.
i hope you realize that all weapons above top A(?) get extra pvp damage when you SA them, it's not just dual daggers, single handed daggers also get it.
o rly?
http://base.l2j.ru/index.php?p=2&id=14127
http://base.l2j.ru/index.php?p=2&id=13884
Now u can start troll that it's l2j database :)
Quote
Special Ability: Crtical Damage Lv.2
Active
Increases Critical Damage. Inflicts additional damage during PvP.
I can troll that you're dumb and can't read.
He dont know with that daggers dual +4 you got -2-3 of CD,
Legend (CD) Critical Damage
That new blow is not a very hard reason to roll to dual daggers.. You are free to try it... But remember at last you gonna prefer 1H dagger with CD SA for solo pvp and dual for pve.
Btw everyone has their playstyle, so, u get the point. Try and see what u prefer: power or rate (its like choosing between focus power and focus chance :D)
Quote from: Wayne on January 02, 2012, 10:20:33 AM
He dont know with that daggers dual +4 you got -2-3 of CD,
Legend (CD) Critical Damage
That new blow is not a very hard reason to roll to dual daggers.. You are free to try it... But remember at last you gonna prefer 1H dagger with CD SA for solo pvp and dual for pve.
Btw everyone has their playstyle, so, u get the point. Try and see what u prefer: power or rate (its like choosing between focus power and focus chance :D)
No one chooses focus chance lol
Of course no one chose focus chance for pvp, because that no one chose dual daggers for pvp ;D Understand the point xD
make +12 duals get +5str set and go own every1 with 1.5k atak speed an 500crit rate.
thanks for all the replies ;)
I decided to keep using normal dagger with cd and blows +++ ele (enchant route will be changed one day) and dual dagger holy for pve.
Quote from: hello on January 02, 2012, 10:04:21 AM
Quote from: mk89 on January 02, 2012, 12:33:51 AM
Quote from: hello on January 02, 2012, 12:27:52 AM
Quote from: mk89 on January 01, 2012, 11:49:33 PM
Quote from: Wayne on December 29, 2011, 11:32:09 PM
Quote from: mk89 on December 29, 2011, 09:57:52 PM
1h dagger and dual daggers +4 both pvp same dmg, tested on OBT so imo dual daggers are best :)
You're wrong, test it again and prove with screenshots, 1h daggers with SA CD make more dmg than dual daggers that have no SA (-CD) and remember that dual dagger +4 got 2-3% lower CD then 1H Dagger +CD
Is like eyolis said, the propose to use dual daggers is only for cancel ofc if u have it on {pvp} and for PVE.
with duals u get Special Ability: PvP Damage Lv.1 that is equal to 1H dagger Special Ability: Crtical Damage Lv.3 u will make same dmg with both daggers and the only reason dual daggers are better is that u can use dual blow and have more dps. when u add pvp on dual daggers u get Special Ability: PvP Damage Lv.3 while on 1H dagger its only lvl1 :) so I don't need any screens it's just pure facts... go test urself and qq then.
i hope you realize that all weapons above top A(?) get extra pvp damage when you SA them, it's not just dual daggers, single handed daggers also get it.
o rly?
http://base.l2j.ru/index.php?p=2&id=14127
http://base.l2j.ru/index.php?p=2&id=13884
Now u can start troll that it's l2j database :)
Quote
Special Ability: Crtical Damage Lv.2
Active
Increases Critical Damage. Inflicts additional damage during PvP.
I can troll that you're dumb and can't read.
look twice my friend :D u get SA pvp bonus when u make duals +4 and u get lvl 1 pvp dmg totaly diferent skill just from dual daggers even+0 so gf :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EKB3B2AwyU&lc=XR30qGtrk7GD-LOhFq6T3I_wVJUNEvoQh3G-ynu6EwI&feature=inbox
and this :) sooooooon (if i'am not a lazybone i will make fraps of daul dagger and 1h dagger test in obt)
so u post a link where both makes almost same dmg and single one is w/o pvp, ok dude
Quote from: Wayne on December 29, 2011, 11:32:09 PM
Quote from: mk89 on December 29, 2011, 09:57:52 PM
1h dagger and dual daggers +4 both pvp same dmg, tested on OBT so imo dual daggers are best :)
You're wrong, test it again and prove with screenshots, 1h daggers with SA CD make more dmg than dual daggers that have no SA (-CD) and remember that dual dagger +4 got 2-3% lower CD then 1H Dagger +CD
Is like eyolis said, the propose to use dual daggers is only for cancel ofc if u have it on {pvp} and for PVE.
+
Quote from: Soul` on January 02, 2012, 10:15:54 PM
so u post a link where both makes almost same dmg and single one is w/o pvp, ok dude
hater gonna hate :) i will make a damn test to stfu f like u :D
Dual dual here that we have to complain about the server jajajajajaj :D
Quote from: mk89 on January 02, 2012, 08:27:12 PM
Quote from: hello on January 02, 2012, 10:04:21 AM
Quote from: mk89 on January 02, 2012, 12:33:51 AM
Quote from: hello on January 02, 2012, 12:27:52 AM
Quote from: mk89 on January 01, 2012, 11:49:33 PM
Quote from: Wayne on December 29, 2011, 11:32:09 PM
Quote from: mk89 on December 29, 2011, 09:57:52 PM
1h dagger and dual daggers +4 both pvp same dmg, tested on OBT so imo dual daggers are best :)
You're wrong, test it again and prove with screenshots, 1h daggers with SA CD make more dmg than dual daggers that have no SA (-CD) and remember that dual dagger +4 got 2-3% lower CD then 1H Dagger +CD
Is like eyolis said, the propose to use dual daggers is only for cancel ofc if u have it on {pvp} and for PVE.
with duals u get Special Ability: PvP Damage Lv.1 that is equal to 1H dagger Special Ability: Crtical Damage Lv.3 u will make same dmg with both daggers and the only reason dual daggers are better is that u can use dual blow and have more dps. when u add pvp on dual daggers u get Special Ability: PvP Damage Lv.3 while on 1H dagger its only lvl1 :) so I don't need any screens it's just pure facts... go test urself and qq then.
i hope you realize that all weapons above top A(?) get extra pvp damage when you SA them, it's not just dual daggers, single handed daggers also get it.
o rly?
http://base.l2j.ru/index.php?p=2&id=14127
http://base.l2j.ru/index.php?p=2&id=13884
Now u can start troll that it's l2j database :)
Quote
Special Ability: Crtical Damage Lv.2
Active
Increases Critical Damage. Inflicts additional damage during PvP.
I can troll that you're dumb and can't read.
look twice my friend :D u get SA pvp bonus when u make duals +4 and u get lvl 1 pvp dmg totaly diferent skill just from dual daggers even+0 so gf :D
wow fucking dumbass do you have any idea how those skills even work? i said both give pvp damage once they're SA'd, and fyi the standart pvp bonus for SA'ing a weapon is the same for the same weapon grade (10% for vesper).
Quote from: mk89 on January 02, 2012, 11:02:49 PM
Quote from: Soul` on January 02, 2012, 10:15:54 PM
so u post a link where both makes almost same dmg and single one is w/o pvp, ok dude
hater gonna hate :) i will make a damn test to stfu f like u :D
waiting for it, but why dont u comment on the link u posted urself.
hello man u know shit, Sa single vesper is lv1 pvp dmg and dual Sa is lv3 while that lv3 = the cd from single+the pvp bonus, fuk
edit: and didnt even mention +4 bonus from dual man
Are u stupid or wtf?
Vesper Shaper Critical Damage
Special Ability: Crtical Damage Lv.2
Active
Increases Critical Damage. Inflicts additional damage during PvP.
Vesper Dual Daggers
Special Ability: Focus Lv.1
Active, enabled, when enchanted for +4 or more
Increases critical rate. Inflicts additional damage during PvP.
and
Special Ability: PvP Damage Lv.1
Active
Inflicts additional damage during PvP.
problem?
mk89,
Everyone has their playstyle.
If you want to use that sh1t dual dagger you're free to use it..
Problem?
no problem i'am using them, but still someone asked witch one is the best :)
Quote from: mk89 on January 03, 2012, 02:20:57 AM
Are u stupid or wtf?
Vesper Shaper Critical Damage
Special Ability: Crtical Damage Lv.2
Active
Increases Critical Damage. Inflicts additional damage during PvP.
Vesper Dual Daggers
Special Ability: Focus Lv.1
Active, enabled, when enchanted for +4 or more
Increases critical rate. Inflicts additional damage during PvP.
and
Special Ability: PvP Damage Lv.1
Active
Inflicts additional damage during PvP.
problem?
You still didn't get it did you?
Quote from: mk89 on January 03, 2012, 03:28:36 AM
no problem i'am using them, but still someone asked witch one is the best :)
The best will be forevah 1h dagger with SA CD, not that sh1t dual dagger for pve xaxa0x.
prove it b1atch :D
I can prove you, meet me at mdt :)