Poll
Question:
How many players on @ start?
Option 1: Less than 1000
votes: 45
Option 2: 1000-2000
votes: 71
Option 3: 2000-3000
votes: 157
Option 4: 3000-4000
votes: 87
Option 5: More than 4000 (if hardware handles)
votes: 68
Prolly this kind of voting poll made somewhere else on forums...Time to have one in our 5x category.So the question is: How many mengz do you expect at start?Admins are expecting around 2k online, looks way too low if you ask me, considering not even half clans have signed on official list, I'd say around ~3k+ is more realistic number.
Voting poll expires on February 28th.You have 2 weeks to express your opinion.
Theres like 5clans whos not signed in, theres plenty russian clans whos not signed in, and theres plenty randooms and constant groups, so its gona be like 3000 and more if hardware will not fail's.
More than 1,000 for sure but you never know an exact approximation.
I'd say about 3k, but because of the bad hardware/network it'll dwindle down to about 1.3k average. (People won't stick around in lag)
Ofcourse I could be wrong, but the 30x still lags like hell with only 1.5k on.
Quote from: Malicious on February 14, 2010, 08:22:19 PM
Theres like 5clans whos not signed in, theres plenty russian clans whos not signed in, and theres plenty randooms and constant groups, so its gona be like 3000 and more if hardware will not fail's.
like who?
Quote from: Xuse on February 14, 2010, 08:36:13 PM
I'd say about 3k, but because of the bad hardware/network it'll dwindle down to about 1.3k average. (People won't stick around in lag)
Ofcourse I could be wrong, but the 30x still lags like hell with only 1.5k on.
30x is doing just fine with 1.6k on. At least it did last time i loged a few days ago. I know some ppl have lags but it's peering problems, not hardware problems.
I suppose a number around 2k is a realistic one. If the hardware holds fine it will continue to grow, just like x30 did at some time before hardware failed miserably.
WAT?
MORE THAN 9000!
Only Catalin has "over 9000" We will have 3000/4000 if hardware could handle this. I saw a lot of czech, polish and russian randoms coming also. And i heard more and more about clans coming here.
Quote from: MrPwNz on February 14, 2010, 09:24:00 PM
Quote from: Gawain on February 14, 2010, 09:11:13 PM
WAT?
MORE THAN 9000!
fail.
its called "over 9000"
It's MORE THAN 9000.
Just like it's "More than 4000 (if hardware handles)"
no....
"over 9000" is the original one :)
you still don't get it. w/e.
//and yes i know about original one, but that's how the poll was made, number changed.
And about "if hardware handles" i've got doubts about handling more than 3k actually.
Quote from: Gawain on February 14, 2010, 09:50:09 PM
Quote from: MrPwNz on February 14, 2010, 09:24:00 PM
Quote from: Gawain on February 14, 2010, 09:11:13 PM
WAT?
MORE THAN 9000!
fail.
its called "over 9000"
It's MORE THAN 9000.
Just like it's "More than 4000 (if hardware handles)"
Well actually it's called over 9000, not more than 9000.It's a phrase/words from dragon ball anime where character named Vegeta clearly says "It's OVER 9000".So yeh in this case better use word "over" rather than "more than" even though both are correct and means practically the same.Hope this won't go more off-topic than it is.
any section/topic is full of crap anyways.
and read the previous post :x
voted for "MORE THAN 4000"
Like it more? :<
//any crap i post = +1 post. So close to 200 :x
//use your mod powers mebe to keep it clean then.
And then over 9000 people voted that there is gonna be 1k online :D
WTB new hardware.
Quote from: reni on February 14, 2010, 09:38:49 PM
Only Catalin has "over 9000"
over 9000 minutes before u can login?btw this crap about 5x having bad hardware I hope is not true cause that would suck alot lol.considering 3 clients/IP this means login/game server will be flooded like hell. 1 man party from lvl 1 ftw :-\
Quote from official info:
"And we took these 2+ months to prepare this start well in all aspects (hardware, advertisment etc.)"
Have some faith, i don't think we'll have lags for the start (say thnx to that other server for this :P)
Nah first week will still lag with good hardware. Too many players in the same zone is gonna cause lag anyway. (Unless that was somehow fixed?)
Quote from: Xuse on February 14, 2010, 11:03:41 PM
Nah first week will still lag with good hardware. Too many players in the same zone is gonna cause lag anyway. (Unless that was somehow fixed?)
if u get lag bcuz of too many ppl in 1 area - its ur connection fail, for server it doesnt matter if there is 500ppl in same location or if they spread all over the map and do completely the same things...
3k ppl, every1 with 3 clients = over 9k! with boxes will have lag fosho.
Quote from: reni on February 14, 2010, 09:38:49 PM
Only Catalin has "over 9000" We will have 3000/4000 if hardware could handle this. I saw a lot of czech, polish and russian randoms coming also. And i heard more and more about clans coming here.
many CZECH randoms......indeed
I hope Admin think about it and prepare new server for that. or he invest to wodka and 2k online = omg lag
Starting online 1000..wtf ? are they serious? :D I really think it will be 2k at minimum..
is over 9000 !!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMHTK15Pik&feature=related
If you take into consideration the russians that will play but will be completely unannounced since they dont post here, its kinda hard to say :<
Quote from: Slush on February 16, 2010, 03:26:48 PM
If you take into consideration the russians that will play but will be completely unannounced since they dont post here, its kinda hard to say :<
There are two Russian clan was announced,as well,another clans or teams was announced on russian forum...Some of our clans are in formation progress or don't wish to represent itself before starting, ;D
Quote from: desolator on February 16, 2010, 06:37:35 PM
There are two Russian clan was announced,as well,another clans or teams was announced on russian forum...Some of our clans are in formation progress or don't wish to represent itself before starting, ;D
Surprise buttsecs?
Pretty sure those aren't the only clans being quiet, they should grow some ballz and announce themselves.
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 16, 2010, 06:42:40 PM
Surprise buttsecs?
Pretty sure those aren't the only clans being quiet, they should grow some ballz and announce themselves.
What will it give for them?If the clan don't want recruit a new members or discussion about politic before server starting it will give nothing for them.
Who's ballz are stronger we will know after starting.
3117±14
There will be 2000 players. 1000 real 1000 box.
Quote from: desolator on February 16, 2010, 07:37:03 PM
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 16, 2010, 06:42:40 PM
Surprise buttsecs?
Pretty sure those aren't the only clans being quiet, they should grow some ballz and announce themselves.
What will it give for them?If the clan don't want recruit a new members or discussion about politic before server starting it will give nothing for them.
Who's ballz are stronger we will know after starting.
It will tell administration that they need to have better hardware to support all the players.
If everyone stays quiet, going to have hardware for 2k players and 3k+ will start at launch.
Not fun to lag/dc for a week straight.
Well, this will be our new servers hardware: https://forumen.rpg-club.net/index.php?topic=2179.msg28184#msg28184
http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=IgfeA9KcQUULRSco
QuoteProcessor
2 * Socket LGA771
Quad-Core Intel® Xeon® 5400 Series (45nm)
Dual-Core Intel® Xeon® 5200 Series (45nm)
Quad-Core Intel® Xeon® 5300 Series
Dual-Core Intel® Xeon® 5100 Series
FSB 667/1066/1333MHz EM64T
2x2M, 4M or 8M L2 cache
Chipset
Intel® 5000P Chipset
Intel® 6321ESB I/O Controller Hub
Intel® 6702 PXH 64-bit PCI Hub
Memory
Four Channel ECC Reg. DDR2 533/667 Fully-Buffered DIMMs, max. up to 48GB / 12 slots
Expansion
(option-1):
1 * Full-Height / Half-Length 64-bit PCI-X
1 * Low Profile PCI Express x 8 slot (Proprietary Slot)
(option-2):
1 * PCI-X (For ZCR)
1 * Low Profile PCI Express x 8 slot (Proprietary Slot)
(option-3):
1 * Full-Height / Half-Length PCI Express x 8
1 * Low Profile PCI Express x 8 slot (Proprietary Slot)
LAN Chip
Intel® 82563EB Network Connection (Dual-Port)
Dimension
686mm * 444mm * 43.4mm
Don't know what to say, someone who knows more about this, pls tell us, will this hardware fare well with 2-3k players?
Edit: Just a wild guess, compared it to the hardware of an ex server i played and it's not too different. That server lagged badly with 2.2-2.3k on. So, am i right in assuming we will have smooth gameplay with 2k max on? :'(
Machine is not all, but this setup they given is not bad, last server i played on had only 2xdualcore processor and 16GB of ram, and it wasnt laggy at all with 2k ppl online.
Quote from: CJ2000 on February 17, 2010, 02:03:28 AM
It will tell administration that they need to have better hardware to support all the players.
If everyone stays quiet, going to have hardware for 2k players and 3k+ will start at launch.
Not fun to lag/dc for a week straight.
No one will not change hardware configuration before starting becouse no one precisely doesn't know what online will be on server.
Quote from: desolator on February 17, 2010, 02:25:12 PM
Quote from: CJ2000 on February 17, 2010, 02:03:28 AM
It will tell administration that they need to have better hardware to support all the players.
If everyone stays quiet, going to have hardware for 2k players and 3k+ will start at launch.
Not fun to lag/dc for a week straight.
No one will not change hardware configuration before starting becouse no one precisely doesn't know what online will be on server.
Hardware spec.
https://forumen.rpg-club.net/index.php?topic=2458.0
Quote from: merCy on February 17, 2010, 02:30:33 PM
Quote from: desolator on February 17, 2010, 02:25:12 PM
Quote from: CJ2000 on February 17, 2010, 02:03:28 AM
It will tell administration that they need to have better hardware to support all the players.
If everyone stays quiet, going to have hardware for 2k players and 3k+ will start at launch.
Not fun to lag/dc for a week straight.
No one will not change hardware configuration before starting becouse no one precisely doesn't know what online will be on server.
Hardware spec.
https://forumen.rpg-club.net/index.php?topic=2458.0
Its not Harware specs, its just platform with cpus info.. its the same as:
q: "what car you are driving?"
a: "Yellow, 1.8L petrol"
EDIT:
For handle ~3.5k ppls in peak times/Castle sieges/teritory wars withot lags, you need:
72gb rams.
2x ~70GB HDD, 15000 rpm.
2x Quadcore or 4x Dualcore cpus, with minimum 1.6GHz
So its gona be bigest fail waited so long, if you guys didnt upgrade hardware..
Since arion server have 32Gb 667MHz FBD (8x4Gb dual rank DIMMs) then well, none server is capable of handling 3kk people ? Enlighten us which server has 72GB so we can forward people there to enjoy lag free gameplay.
Although i must admit that arion server has good harddrives vs none info about rpgclub.
Since we're talking about that server, this is how they announced the server specs:
QuoteDell PowerEdge 2950
* Specifications:
* 2 x Quad-Core Xeon (X5450) 3.0GHz
* 32Gb 667MHz FBD (8x4Gb dual rank DIMMs)
* 5 x 450Gb SAS 15k 3.5 Hot Plug Hard Drives
* Chassis 3.5HDD x6 Backplane
* PERC6/iR
* DRAC5 Card
* Riser with PCI Express Support
* TCP/IP Offload Engine 2P
* 16X DVD+/-RW Drive with SATA Cab
Can we get something like that here? There's lots of info missing from that post Alice. I know that info is what the admin gave u, but can you please tell him to be more specific? Thank you very much.
Quote from: yaw85 on February 17, 2010, 05:49:09 PM
Since arion server have 32Gb 667MHz FBD (8x4Gb dual rank DIMMs) then well, none server is capable of handling 3kk people ? Enlighten us which server has 72GB so we can forward people there to enjoy lag free gameplay.
Although i must admit that arion server has good harddrives vs none info about rpgclub.
One of the best harware have biggest lithuanian l2 server from all known servers to me. And still it lags/freezes with 3.5k ppls online via cs times.
For 100 ppls you need around 1.8GB of RAM's when its cs/tw/. so count it yourself. And to not have item lags with 3.5k online you need HDD's with 12000rpm.
More than 4k cause i say so !
lmao 2-3k.
u'll have like 1k on counter which means max 500 =D with super antibot feature.
even 30x never had mroe than 1500 imho(user object,not the count on the webpage).
cant wait to see u all QQing about the lag and ima say: i told u niggars i told u!!
Quote from: BadDude on February 15, 2010, 12:04:32 AM
Quote from: Xuse on February 14, 2010, 11:03:41 PM
Nah first week will still lag with good hardware. Too many players in the same zone is gonna cause lag anyway. (Unless that was somehow fixed?)
if u get lag bcuz of too many ppl in 1 area - its ur connection fail, for server it doesnt matter if there is 500ppl in same location or if they spread all over the map and do completely the same things...
Clueless much?
500 in same location would mean server would have to hand you the location of all the players whos close to you while it wouldnt if you were far apart.
Comprende?
Great, shit hardware... for what could have been one of the biggest server.
get 4 slc ssd's, raid0, plx
edit: nvm the ram... your hdds still wont have enough iops to prevent ss lag though
else 3k players quit and you're left with 1k.
Quote from: Dalamar on February 18, 2010, 12:54:50 AM
Great, shit hardware... for what could have been one of the biggest server.
get 4 slc ssd's, raid0, plx
edit: nvm the ram... your hdds still wont have enough iops to prevent ss lag though
else 3k players quit and you're left with 1k.
SSD raids haha... like thats needed... you know theyr like 250gb max and theyr not very cheap, also l2 has been running great since fucking ages on NCSofts servers and they didnt have SSD 6 years ago fo sho.
who cares about online? take care about lags
Quote from: Kuro1n on February 18, 2010, 01:27:53 AM
Quote from: Dalamar on February 18, 2010, 12:54:50 AM
Great, shit hardware... for what could have been one of the biggest server.
get 4 slc ssd's, raid0, plx
edit: nvm the ram... your hdds still wont have enough iops to prevent ss lag though
else 3k players quit and you're left with 1k.
SSD raids haha... like thats needed... you know theyr like 250gb max and theyr not very cheap, also l2 has been running great since fucking ages on NCSofts servers and they didnt have SSD 6 years ago fo sho.
Are you retarded? I doubt L2 needs much space.
I'm full aware that SSDs aren't cost efficient atm, be they flash or ram based, but 2 slc ssds is roughly the sustained write speed of 1.6x as many traditional drives, and the random iops of what, 10+? drives in raid. iops are what matters here.
two traditional drives in raid is pathetic (for a server, especially if it expects a lot of traffic), not as bad if it's 15k rpm, but still.
yes, four SSD in raid is overkill, so sue me. but my point stands, the current setup sucks.
I don't know where rpg went wrong, but I know that: the ram looks unusually slow, and hdd is always the biggest bottleneck.
I don't know about their net, but in packed town/siege, each person can use around 30kb/s bandwidth (per person!! that's with like 300 ish people, or at least, a packed aerith giran). That many people in one place at a siege will assrape the server's net, since it has to send all the player infos to each player in the area.
Quote from: Dalamar on February 18, 2010, 04:06:00 AM
Quote from: Kuro1n on February 18, 2010, 01:27:53 AM
Quote from: Dalamar on February 18, 2010, 12:54:50 AM
Great, shit hardware... for what could have been one of the biggest server.
get 4 slc ssd's, raid0, plx
edit: nvm the ram... your hdds still wont have enough iops to prevent ss lag though
else 3k players quit and you're left with 1k.
SSD raids haha... like thats needed... you know theyr like 250gb max and theyr not very cheap, also l2 has been running great since fucking ages on NCSofts servers and they didnt have SSD 6 years ago fo sho.
Are you retarded? I doubt L2 needs much space.
I'm full aware that SSDs aren't cost efficient atm, be they flash or ram based, but 2 slc ssds is roughly the sustained write speed of 1.6x as many traditional drives, and the random iops of what, 10+? drives in raid. iops are what matters here.
two traditional drives in raid is pathetic (for a server, especially if it expects a lot of traffic), not as bad if it's 15k rpm, but still.
yes, four SSD in raid is overkill, so sue me. but my point stands, the current setup sucks.
I don't know where rpg went wrong, but I know that: the ram looks unusually slow, and hdd is always the biggest bottleneck.
I don't know about their net, but in packed town/siege, each person can use around 30kb/s bandwidth (per person!! that's with like 300 ish people, or at least, a packed aerith giran). That many people in one place at a siege will assrape the server's net, since it has to send all the player infos to each player in the area.
You doubt and i know, im winning this discussion you fucking brainless fucktard.
Even a random scrub l2j servers database can hit 500gb+... that'd be 3-4 size XL intel X25-M SSD discs ffs... and then you have to raid them ofc... bom another four... lol.
teh server will just go boom and noobs will go QQ
I haven't exactly run an L2 server, it was an an assumption.
Just as my saying the ram and hdd setup are the weakest points is an observation: I have no way of telling the resource usage, and I don't think admin cares to share the info with us.
Nobody wants to see the server die, yet look how retarded 30x lags were.
It's unplayable, ss didnt work half the time, and on top that there were often long lag periods where I can't move (hence why i wont play a dagger).
also lol @ mention x25-m, that's mlc and mlc drives are meant as read-only mainstream disks, not server environment where there's a lot of writing going on. slc drives cost twice as much. so yeah, expensive, but the drives last ages and this server's been around for years, surely it can make use of an investment.
Quote from: Dalamar on February 18, 2010, 05:07:31 AM
I haven't exactly run an L2 server, it was an an assumption.
Just as my saying the ram and hdd setup are the weakest points is an observation: I have no way of telling the resource usage, and I don't think admin cares to share the info with us.
Nobody wants to see the server die, yet look how retarded 30x lags were.
It's unplayable, ss didnt work half the time, and on top that there were often long lag periods where I can't move (hence why i wont play a dagger).
also lol @ mention x25-m, that's mlc and mlc drives are meant as read-only mainstream disks, not server environment where there's a lot of writing going on. slc drives cost twice as much. so yeah, expensive, but the drives last ages and this server's been around for years, surely it can make use of an investment.
It was an example, you didnt specify any special disk so i took one randomly to make a check for sizes.
Either way you called me a retard for something you assumed... maybe you should just not call ppl names before your 100% sure?
shut up nerds :)
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 17, 2010, 06:06:39 PM
Since we're talking about that server, this is how they announced the server specs:
QuoteDell PowerEdge 2950
* Specifications:
* 2 x Quad-Core Xeon (X5450) 3.0GHz
* 32Gb 667MHz FBD (8x4Gb dual rank DIMMs)
* 5 x 450Gb SAS 15k 3.5 Hot Plug Hard Drives
* Chassis 3.5HDD x6 Backplane
* PERC6/iR
* DRAC5 Card
* Riser with PCI Express Support
* TCP/IP Offload Engine 2P
* 16X DVD+/-RW Drive with SATA Cab
Can we get something like that here? There's lots of info missing from that post Alice. I know that info is what the admin gave u, but can you please tell him to be more specific? Thank you very much.
In fact, there is no difference between the two configs :) Only in RAM, but it may be added any time, if needed.
Moreover, IF there are 9k players, we can use several machines for the server. But first we need to have those 9k.
P.S. Don't endeavor to compare figures and make conclusions, if you don't understand, what they mean.
u need to improve internet conenction if u wanna more then 2k lol
I think its better if u save your strenght for bitching when servers goes Live, since atm its usless to discuss things if we can only try to predict how many people will play.
Agree. Let's wait for server start then start to biatch biatch biatch ............
I hope to God ur not wrong Alice. I don't know what to say about the hardware here cause the most important thing is missing from the config: the hard drives config. But if u say it's the same like in that config i posted (and i don't know why u didn't show it from the first time but anyway...) then it should be all good with ~3000 players online. Maybe needs some more ram.
Btw, am i wrong in assuming this machine is used for game server + sql server? Cause imo, it's a bad idea with the no. of ppl expected to play here. U'll need a different machine for the sql server with a powerfull raid setup.
2-3k if hardware handles, where's that option?
more than 9k zreg!!
Quote from: wawa1234 on February 23, 2010, 05:37:54 PM
more than 9k zreg!!
Lert's hope not :D
We will have to wait several more days, maybe even more then a week, for a hardware upgrade to run things smooth.
3k online for the start with no lags will be more then ok. The "other" server has a 3k limit and has serious problems. But that's because 3k more wait at login screen.
If people will join this server gradually, server upgrade will be easier to do and there won't be as much tears :)
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 23, 2010, 05:48:56 PM
Quote from: wawa1234 on February 23, 2010, 05:37:54 PM
more than 9k zreg!!
Lert's hope not :D
We will have to wait several more days, maybe even more then a week, for a hardware upgrade to run things smooth.
3k online for the start with no lags will be more then ok. The "other" server has a 3k limit and has serious problems. But that's because 3k more wait at login screen.
If people will join this server gradually, server upgrade will be easier to do and there won't be as much tears :)
why not will be nice pvp on start villages :D
and if it will be rly 9k serwer crush? and next 9k on login screen ;D
There's no such thing as a server with 9k online. It was just a figure of speech. Best u could do is something like 6k online but u would need seriously powerful hardware.
call to Bill Gates for money to Uber Pro Pc :)
I think 3000-4000.
On this server go not only ready const party but also clans + there will be a set solo players.
Theyll be 2999 noobs and 1 pro (me)
Sap RUSSIA?
1700 online, after more ppl will connect, server will die due to lags, which not gona be fixed ever :)
I'd say OVER 9000!
3165
No more, no less.
Quote from: ve3k on February 27, 2010, 09:55:24 AM
1700 online, after more ppl will connect, server will die due to lags, which not gona be fixed ever :)
+1
Quote from: ve3k on February 27, 2010, 09:55:24 AM
1700 online, after more ppl will connect, server will die due to lags, which not gona be fixed ever :)
acording to hardware configuration it would be more like - russians will play with no lag guys with proxy no lag and those from the other side of the water will lag like hell and have a lot of delay because of the distance ping etc etc etc plus all be lagging the same port mostly :)
Quote from: ..MinDiuSe.. on February 27, 2010, 12:32:16 PM
Quote from: ve3k on February 27, 2010, 09:55:24 AM
1700 online, after more ppl will connect, server will die due to lags, which not gona be fixed ever :)
acording to hardware configuration it would be more like - russians will play with no lag guys with proxy no lag and those from the other side of the water will lag like hell and have a lot of delay because of the distance ping etc etc etc plus all be lagging the same port mostly :)
Good for me
On the positive side, lag will be so bad, once you get to d-grade, and even c-grade, you won't even worry about having crafters or npcs selling soulshot / spirit shots. Since there will be massive shots lag and make them useless anyway.