Question about STR on Daggers

[Relic]

-4 dex +4 str(or con )

Why ?because Dex is like most worthless stat point ever,its like increasing +men on mage to get 2 mp more per tick and 30 mdef.

[KnGhtmRe]

-4 dex +4 str(or con )

Why ?because Dex is like most worthless stat point ever,its like increasing +men on mage to get 2 mp more per tick and 30 mdef.

because speed, evasion and attack speed are not important for a dagger?!?

I would go +4 str +5 dex -9 con on a th.
                    no dyes on aw,
                    elfs are ghey

[Relic]

-4 dex +4 str(or con )

Why ?because Dex is like most worthless stat point ever,its like increasing +men on mage to get 2 mp more per tick and 30 mdef.

because speed, evasion and attack speed are not important for a dagger?!?

I would go +4 str +5 dex -9 con on a th.
                    no dyes on aw,
                    elfs are ghey

Speed ?Yes it is important but than again dagger is one of the few class which have passive for ++speed(which you can enchant),i wont even talk about talismans/buffs and such crap.
Evasion ?No not rly for that you have UE GW/EA/WR.
Attack speed ?Since it doesnt affect skill re-use anymore,it has lost its value for classes which rely on skills,even more there are so many buffs which increase your attack speed(warrior trigger,Gfury),that i doubt you will notice that -50 attack speed loss.

And than again im talking about end-game.

[cabrael]

i cant see why people overrate dex

[baho]

i agree, dex is shit - - - - - - - - - - -


and isn't men directly influencing resistance to most of the debuffs?

[Jacky]

Speed ?Yes it is important but than again dagger is one of the few class which have passive for ++speed(which you can enchant),i wont even talk about talismans/buffs and such crap.
Evasion ?No not rly for that you have UE GW/EA/WR.
Attack speed ?Since it doesnt affect skill re-use anymore,it has lost its value for classes which rely on skills,even more there are so many buffs which increase your attack speed(warrior trigger,Gfury),that i doubt you will notice that -50 attack speed loss.

And than again im talking about end-game.

U are a lil bit clueless I would say...and what end-game are u talking about actually? Coz I am not sure if u have seen some on Gracia Final.

[Pel8]

Speed ?Yes it is important but than again dagger is one of the few class which have passive for ++speed(which you can enchant),i wont even talk about talismans/buffs and such crap.
Evasion ?No not rly for that you have UE GW/EA/WR.
Attack speed ?Since it doesnt affect skill re-use anymore,it has lost its value for classes which rely on skills,even more there are so many buffs which increase your attack speed(warrior trigger,Gfury),that i doubt you will notice that -50 attack speed loss.

And than again im talking about end-game.

You need to enchant your skill for +eva and is way more important than speed.

[sergeidracuenov]

+4 str -4 con,
+4 dex -4 con,
+4 wit -4 int (for casting noblesse) OR +1 str -1 con OR +1 dex -1 con,

so that dyes should be the best

[Bulle]

The better option is : NO DYES !

[sergeidracuenov]

The better option is : NO DYES !

[babyface]

+4 str -4 con,

+4 wit -4 int (for casting noblesse) OR +1 str -1 con

so that dyes should be the best

fixed, dont make out of adv pw or u will really fail imo
that if u talk about adv here ofc

[sergeidracuenov]

+4 str -4 con,

+4 wit -4 int (for casting noblesse) OR +1 str -1 con

so that dyes should be the best

fixed, dont make out of adv pw or u will really fail imo
that if u talk about adv here ofc

yeah, sure, then we can go

5 str -5 con,
+4 wit -4 int (for casting noblesse)

[Xosikun]

Imo its up to how you play your dagger and which of the daggers you play, but i prefer +4str -4con on AW. I like it glass-cannon style. Also what kinda dyes i get depend on what armor bonuses i got etc...

Dex is shit on most classes (except daggers ofc) imo.

[babyface]

if i'd play aw i would make +str-con for sure too nothing else, and i'd love to go back in time and think one more time with current knowledge when clicking select character- human fighter as dagger

[Guardian]

+4 str -4 con,
+4 dex -4 con,
+4 wit -4 int (for casting noblesse) OR +1 str -1 con OR +1 dex -1 con,

so that dyes should be the best

why do the hell do you want to screw up  th which biggest bonus is con and mirage if you lower con it will be just peace of shit  not th either not pw or aw put +5 strengh -5 dex and be happy

[babyface]

-5 dex would very badly screw up th

[Relic]

Speed ?Yes it is important but than again dagger is one of the few class which have passive for ++speed(which you can enchant),i wont even talk about talismans/buffs and such crap.
Evasion ?No not rly for that you have UE GW/EA/WR.
Attack speed ?Since it doesnt affect skill re-use anymore,it has lost its value for classes which rely on skills,even more there are so many buffs which increase your attack speed(warrior trigger,Gfury),that i doubt you will notice that -50 attack speed loss.

And than again im talking about end-game.

U are a lil bit clueless I would say...and what end-game are u talking about actually? Coz I am not sure if u have seen some on Gracia Final.

Care to explain how im clueless ?
Or maybe you wanna say that dmv/squeez and some other good daggers who used these dyes are also clueless ? 
And endgame is char with stacked sub class skills/skill enchants and high lvl support in pt.
You just dont understand that with lowering str/con you are loosing much more than lowering dex ?

[Lire]

Speed ?Yes it is important but than again dagger is one of the few class which have passive for ++speed(which you can enchant),i wont even talk about talismans/buffs and such crap.
Evasion ?No not rly for that you have UE GW/EA/WR.
Attack speed ?Since it doesnt affect skill re-use anymore,it has lost its value for classes which rely on skills,even more there are so many buffs which increase your attack speed(warrior trigger,Gfury),that i doubt you will notice that -50 attack speed loss.

And than again im talking about end-game.

U are a lil bit clueless I would say...and what end-game are u talking about actually? Coz I am not sure if u have seen some on Gracia Final.

Care to explain how im clueless ?
Or maybe you wanna say that dmv/squeez and some other good daggers who used these dyes are also clueless ? 
And endgame is char with stacked sub class skills/skill enchants and high lvl support in pt.
You just dont understand that with lowering str/con you are loosing much more than lowering dex ?

I guess ill waste my precious time to explain you :] When we are talking about end game sir speed on dagger is one of most important stats (pw/aw cuz th haf dash) i would love to see healers outruning you in pvp. Now the evasion, which is prolly one of the most important things on daggers, it is actually useful when only dmg u can take is dmg from skills. I guess conclusion is that lowering these essential stats on daggers is simply retarded. About these almight skills which u named (ue/gw/wr)... I would like to introduce you a class called SoulHound, most of pvps vs good parties daggers are runing w/o most of buffs.

[corwin]

What does STR changes for dagger users:
1) Critical Rate of BLOW type skills.
15% at 35 STR
18% at 40 STR
21.5% at 45 STR
25.65% at 50 STR
12.6% at 30 STR
2) Lethal Rate, AKA Halfkill rate
3) Skill Mastery - it is affected by STR for all fighter classes - and 13 STR is about 35% difference in activation rate.
4) Focus Skill Mastery  - doubles activation rate of Skill mastery

[Relic]

Speed ?Yes it is important but than again dagger is one of the few class which have passive for ++speed(which you can enchant),i wont even talk about talismans/buffs and such crap.
Evasion ?No not rly for that you have UE GW/EA/WR.
Attack speed ?Since it doesnt affect skill re-use anymore,it has lost its value for classes which rely on skills,even more there are so many buffs which increase your attack speed(warrior trigger,Gfury),that i doubt you will notice that -50 attack speed loss.

And than again im talking about end-game.

U are a lil bit clueless I would say...and what end-game are u talking about actually? Coz I am not sure if u have seen some on Gracia Final.

Care to explain how im clueless ?
Or maybe you wanna say that dmv/squeez and some other good daggers who used these dyes are also clueless ? 
And endgame is char with stacked sub class skills/skill enchants and high lvl support in pt.
You just dont understand that with lowering str/con you are loosing much more than lowering dex ?

I guess ill waste my precious time to explain you :] When we are talking about end game sir speed on dagger is one of most important stats (pw/aw cuz th haf dash) i would love to see healers outruning you in pvp. Now the evasion, which is prolly one of the most important things on daggers, it is actually useful when only dmg u can take is dmg from skills. I guess conclusion is that lowering these essential stats on daggers is simply retarded. About these almight skills which u named (ue/gw/wr)... I would like to introduce you a class called SoulHound, most of pvps vs good parties daggers are runing w/o most of buffs.

When we are talking about end game sir, stacked daggers can get close to 250 speed.
And -4 dex will never lower your speed so much ,that bp is faster than you,unless a)you are retard who doesnt know what is blinding blow(since you are talking about pw/aw) b)you are low lvl scrub,in shitty clan w/o clan skills(castle/fortress),fighting vs clan with dion/tanor fortress.
About evasion,how many melee's will go first for 85 stacked dagger before healers ?
Besides daggers already have retarded evasion compared to accuracy most of melees can get.

And well class called soulhound work only against terrible/boxed pts with bd/swm/wc who doesnt know what is resong/rebuff.

[Lire]

You would change ur mind if you ever had 9v9 which last longer than 3 d/s rounds, where u use both sublime and boe, with xx used brezes on both sides ^^ but u can stay in ur own fancy world i dun mind

[babyface]

lol if pwu/aw needed alwayes make blinding blow to get to healer means he runs for 15seconds after healer without stab and then with stab for 15secs? this is very retarded, yes u will do re d/s cov or bufs but u wont have again 83 skill, 4-5 dex does matter in all profs, th - because he has so fakin low of it i wouldnt touch it any more, pw- because he has alot and that's what makes pw so cool, aw- similiar to pw, but aw dyes are pure playstyle matter imo

[Relic]

You would change ur mind if you ever had 9v9 which last longer than 3 d/s rounds, where u use both sublime and boe, with xx used brezes on both sides ^^ but u can stay in ur own fancy world i dun mind

Sublime/boe/lifeforce/maximum clarity,i would say you have enough mana for around 5/6 d/s rounds.
And yes you are right i have never saw such pvp in my life,where 9vs9 last so long,especially with all atributes/CC and such crap.
So i will just stay in my fancy world,where pvp last about 3 mins,and where ppl rebuff/resong after they got canceled.

P.S im talking about aw/th dyes,for pw yes its indeed quite dumb to lower your highest stat,and make some wannabe th.

[babyface]

therefore changing anything on th else then -con makes u wanna be crap ;/

[Guardian]

lol if pwu/aw needed alwayes make blinding blow to get to healer means he runs for 15seconds after healer without stab and then with stab for 15secs? this is very retarded, yes u will do re d/s cov or bufs but u wont have again 83 skill, 4-5 dex does matter in all profs, th - because he has so fakin low of it i wouldnt touch it any more, pw- because he has alot and that's what makes pw so cool, aw- similiar to pw, but aw dyes are pure playstyle matter imo

do you now such skill like dash omg..............