Need a suggetion about subs :)

[oXo]

hi, i'm a Sts 77 (dc+ AM/a) with sub quest done, i wanted to know the best subs i'd have to choose to get cool and useful subskills.
if u can pls tell me the class and the related skill (i still didn't understand if the choice of the sub will change skill available to get)
tnx

[Sirius92]

Check this:

http://www.l2guru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101683

And also this to check wich skills are NOT worth:

http://www.l2guru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=104583

[oXo]

i wanted to know some StormScreamer's set i checked that web but i still can't understand what's worth cause everything seems "too low" as change or "power" ^^' [btw...i'm from 30x but i can't find a "General discussion" there -..-'' ]

[is2s]

Tank for ud, warrior for boost cp, enchanter for celestial or summoner for the ability. Good for each class id say with warrior haste instead of cp for fighters I think



my opinion

[DrSageata]

I'd say make an warrior for cp boost,an sumoner for sumoner ability(10% m atack+ 10% cast speed),last for m def master or p def master, and for emergent skills to go on what you master you choosed(m def or p def).It dependends on what you focus more,pvp,pve or oly.Celestial is worthless cuz it has 3% trigger rate and dissapear when you make a skill.About the tank ud,dunno the trigger rate,but being a sts the chance is kinda lol,cuz you have small con and you are usualy 3-4 shots.

[Gezas]

cp boost, celestial and sumoner spirit or tank ud, but i would suggest to go tank ud, since from my experiance sumoner spirit doesn't triger so often, especialy when you don't get hit much.

[baho]

Celestial is worthless cuz it has 3% trigger rate and dissapear when you make a skill.

Celestial trigger from sub skill does NOT disappear when u do a skill or attack or w/e.

[DrSageata]

Oh,my bad then.Anyway the trigger rate is very low.

[DrSageata]

And to gezas: sumoner spirit triggers when you hit the enemy,not when enemy hits you afaik.The tank ud triggers when enemy hits you.Lf for trigger rates,if any1 knows them.

[KnGhtmRe]

And to gezas: sumoner spirit triggers when you hit the enemy,not when enemy hits you afaik.The tank ud triggers when enemy hits you.Lf for trigger rates,if any1 knows them.

3%

[Gezas]

And to gezas: sumoner spirit triggers when you hit the enemy,not when enemy hits you afaik.The tank ud triggers when enemy hits you.Lf for trigger rates,if any1 knows them.

was smacking npc with hopes to get that trigered on x30 for like half an hour and i say it sucks

[KeyserSoze]

well, for me, sub skills should be chosen according to playstyle. sub UD or cele is nice, but STS has the worst CP/HP totals in the game (maybe to make ppl think they have a chance vs an STS ). For me, CP from warrior sub (738 CP is a good amount), master emp and master acu from the other 2 subs. and from the emergent: full M.att. you may die easily, but your hits will make a statement to all xD alternatively, instead of CP, summoner spirit, coz that 10% boost in an 79+ STS translates to almost 1k+ of m.att :O

[Slush ✿◕ ‿ ◕✿]

Master emp give 25 m.atk? Master acu gives 10?

Celestial/CP/UD + lvl 6 mdef

[KeyserSoze]

Master emp give 25 m.atk? Master acu gives 10?

Celestial/CP/UD + lvl 6 mdef

you have this sub skills for what? for oly? STS matches are 2 second matches mate. vortex slug bam thank you m'am...

more or less the same applies to pvp. you either kill too fast so no sub skill triggers, or die too fast and again so sub skill triggers. i say these assuming you own a AM 150 wind, probably +3 too, witch means on full buffs coz you are 81 you have an m.att around say 8-9k without using enlightenment. What is the point of having UD or cele?

[Lokocz]

Master emp give 25 m.atk? Master acu gives 10?

Celestial/CP/UD + lvl 6 mdef

you have this sub skills for what? for oly? STS matches are 2 second matches mate. vortex slug bam thank you m'am...

more or less the same applies to pvp. you either kill too fast so no sub skill triggers, or die too fast and again so sub skill triggers. i say these assuming you own a AM 150 wind, probably +3 too, witch means on full buffs coz you are 81 you have an m.att around say 8-9k without using enlightenment. What is the point of having UD or cele?

celestial and ud save ass pretty often, additional cp with cp shirt is also very useful

[Slush ✿◕ ‿ ◕✿]

Master emp give 25 m.atk? Master acu gives 10?

Celestial/CP/UD + lvl 6 mdef

you have this sub skills for what? for oly? STS matches are 2 second matches mate. vortex slug bam thank you m'am...

more or less the same applies to pvp. you either kill too fast so no sub skill triggers, or die too fast and again so sub skill triggers. i say these assuming you own a AM 150 wind, probably +3 too, witch means on full buffs coz you are 81 you have an m.att around say 8-9k without using enlightenment. What is the point of having UD or cele?

No skills benefit sph's in pvp that much tbh but its quite nice to have celestial trigger randomly which does happen quite alot.

With +3 AM i have around 8k matk

I would maybe change UD for summoner zerk but with stacking CP shirt/OL buff/Sub skill you can get quite alot of CP even on an SH.

[oXo]

i noticed that almost everything not working as "chance" would give me something like ... 10? 15? as bonus on some stat...maybe CP is the best thing atm, but i'd have to start to pvp a bit more than xD
summoner's skill could be nice but as far as i read it's activated only if u're under attack....at least UD would be a bit more useful maybe (or maybe both active as same time )
btw i read some1 is used to exp aoe with his Sts? how and where? till now i never considered "aoe" as a useful mage's way to exp O.o''  (or maybe the AOE is killing angels in temple )

[is2s]

Mages aoe is teh best way to exp, but you need a full group or some really skillful multiboxers  > fog/PI are the places

[oXo]

ah...something like  SWM,SD,EE,EM,nuker? ofc some kind of "standard" buffer like PP or OL
or also some kind of tank to aggro or train mobs? i played lot of times SPS's (even if c4 style) and i never risked to play it aoe (maybe cause i didn't have an uberparty to play with)

[Kiu]

simple.

BD sub for Celestial
Tank sub for "UD"
Summoner for casting speed trigger.


/win

[Deathwish]

Tank - HP (saves from backstab, atleast you dont die in 1 hit)
Enchanter - Celestal (random saveass and wonderfull for AOE exp)
Summoner - Spirit (random kickass and wonderfull for AOE exp)
and lvl 6 m.def ofc

[oXo]

boost HP instead of CP?
is it worth? i mean..i read i'd get +738 CP, what about the amount of HP?
cause maybe HP would be useful with mobs too ( more useful than thinking about backstap...i'd be down in 1 hit anyway i think xD )
and...do u know the bonus i'd get from lvl 6 m.def   or m.atk/casting? i'm considering also to increase m.atk or casting maybe

[Guardian]

289HP as i remember not worth.

[oXo]

anything useful if i'd choose WL as sub? ^^''  i mean..maybe the CP bonus taht some1 said (+ CP shirt to buy soon then)
the UD u all suggest is "Active Counter Boost Mdef/Pdef" from Knight (Pally, DA, TK, SK)?

so it could be:
CP
UD
summoner's trigger
........and CELE as choice instead of  UD or summoner's trigger maybe?

all cause i wanna play a bit a WL xD or i could create one and use my char as BD sub to get UD.....but i'd lose CP bonus from my previous plan of sub-skills (and i'd go on  UD/CELE/SUMM maybe)

[Gezas]

Cp boost and celestial is a fuking must and chose between tank ud or sumoner spirit. Most pplfor some reason forgets to mention that while during celestial you pretty much are imune to debuffs as well and it trigers pretty often. The only bad effect is that during celestial you get healed or recharged for 0. And from emerg ability, the best boost is when you go for m def, but i'm sure if you can get acces to protection of rune book adding 2-3 lvls to p def would be pretty decent as well. First lvls of emerg for other 3 stats gives highest bonus.