Curious doing around...

BoBczech · March 25, 2010, 02:13:10 AM

Hello,

https://forumen.rpg-club.net/?p=banlist

There are so many players, who was banned yesterday, but today are unbanned...
Next thing - in Giran, I can see ppl sell 8x "high" rcps in one store for example... I had never seen him sell it before, up to this day, but there is a lot of similar cases... This things are very strange... maybe only for me... Can you explain many unbanned players in one day and "strange" shops in many places..?

If there is some explication in other topic, sorry, but I can see only tons of stupid spam everywhere...

Thank you.

Shabaka · March 25, 2010, 02:40:22 AM

write nicks this traders, checks will be faster

instinct · March 25, 2010, 04:05:29 AM

Quote from: BoBczech on March 25, 2010, 02:13:10 AM
Hello,

https://forumen.rpg-club.net/?p=banlist

There are so many players, who was banned yesterday, but today are unbanned...
Next thing - in Giran, I can see ppl sell 8x "high" rcps in one store for example... I had never seen him sell it before, up to this day, but there is a lot of similar cases... This things are very strange... maybe only for me... Can you explain many unbanned players in one day and "strange" shops in many places..?

If there is some explication in other topic, sorry, but I can see only tons of stupid spam everywhere...

Thank you.

some people were banned 24hrs for spaming in trade bot trying to login when server was down.

lawlbot · March 25, 2010, 11:19:55 AM

I swear the economy is totally Fooked up, its exploited to hell and clans are leaving, and players are leaving. I sincerely suggest a wipe. Whats the point of swimming in crap. We're only 3 weeks into the server, if you wipe now it won't discourage people, its the only legit ct2.3+ server. But if you go on with it, you let time pass....no one will come back even with the file advantage. You will never get rid of a stench of exploited server.

Start over again, don't allow dual clients, don't allow bandwidth hogging bots, and put the wiped server up once you get the new hardware and fixes.

Aurakk · March 25, 2010, 11:25:39 AM

Quote from: lawlbot on March 25, 2010, 11:19:55 AM
I swear the economy is totally Fooked up, its exploited to hell and clans are leaving, and players are leaving. I sincerely suggest a wipe. Whats the point of swimming in crap. We're only 3 weeks into the server, if you wipe now it won't discourage people, its the only legit ct2.3+ server. But if you go on with it, you let time pass....no one will come back even with the file advantage. You will never get rid of a stench of exploited server.

Start over again, don't allow dual clients, don't allow bandwidth hogging bots, and put the wiped server up once you get the new hardware and fixes.

It probably will...

lawlbot · March 25, 2010, 11:34:21 AM

I'd assume they'd be much better off playing in a high rate. One of the dynamics that make people play in low rate server is the economy. If that is shattered by exploits, I really see no benefit of playing in low rate server really.

MichaelV · March 25, 2010, 11:42:49 AM

It's far from "exploited to hell" and the duped items will be removed this coming days. The only reason prices are high is because of the spoil rates. And they'll be changed.

Bealder · March 25, 2010, 11:56:31 AM

Problem is that the antibot and hw came too late. People are already set up with exploited items and botted chars. I don't know anyone specific, it is just an assumption. Even if all exploited items were found people wouldn't believe it.

Also, who was responsible for that issue? A clan, or group of randoms? All I can see in banlist are unbanned players.

lawlbot · March 25, 2010, 12:05:40 PM

just hold a vote.

option 1

start fresh with a wipe, no more bots, dual box, and third party etc. and put down server until fixes are made

option 2

no its fine, continue with what we have now.

option 3
I don't care

admins will ultimately decide but just give them a perspective. It might cut them the hassle of banning players and other issues.

PwnInYourFace · March 25, 2010, 12:09:40 PM

this is just another cry topic by player who is wondering how that people are so good and he s so lame wipe server nao!

Revived · March 25, 2010, 01:10:35 PM

Quote from: MichaelV on March 25, 2010, 11:42:49 AM
It's far from "exploited to hell" and the duped items will be removed this coming days. The only reason prices are high is because of the spoil rates. And they'll be changed.

And whut you will do if player bought a dupped item for adena, how could he knew that it was dupped? He will loose his bought rcp and adena that he payed?

Plus, can't imagine how you can track all then buged items, coz not only rcp's was bugged, but money too, doing Q that gives money (like HS q) a lot of adena was dupped.. And a lot of ppl did that.. Doubt you will be able to track it all..

MichaelV · March 25, 2010, 02:15:13 PM

I also doubt everything can be tracked but if at least half of it is purged and idiots banned then it is ok.
And stop asking about wipe, it's 100% out of the question.

If admin will be kind enough to tell me who was responsible for this i will tell you too.

emissary · March 25, 2010, 03:20:58 PM

Quote from: lawlbot on March 25, 2010, 11:19:55 AM
I swear the economy is totally Fooked up, its exploited to hell and clans are leaving, and players are leaving. I sincerely suggest a wipe. Whats the point of swimming in crap. We're only 3 weeks into the server, if you wipe now it won't discourage people, its the only legit ct2.3+ server. But if you go on with it, you let time pass....no one will come back even with the file advantage. You will never get rid of a stench of exploited server.

Start over again, don't allow dual clients, don't allow bandwidth hogging bots, and put the wiped server up once you get the new hardware and fixes.

make your own server, if you don't like this one so much : ]

Yea, some ppl have great stuff, alot moneyz, and other sh1t, but... even if you get your wish come true, after wipe you would still be nothing compared to players I mentioned above. They will still have great stuff faster than you, they will still have tons of adenas more than you and they will definitely get more high lvled chars than you.
So quit crying already, there will be no wipe, deal with it, or just leave.

p.s. I am a low lvl (65+) without great stuff, and I still don't give a fak about players who are much better than me : ] And I am glad there will be no wipe.

Eze · March 25, 2010, 03:38:14 PM

Frozen! Its you!

lawlbot · March 25, 2010, 03:50:10 PM

Quote from: emissary on March 25, 2010, 03:20:58 PM
Quote from: lawlbot on March 25, 2010, 11:19:55 AM
I swear the economy is totally Fooked up, its exploited to hell and clans are leaving, and players are leaving. I sincerely suggest a wipe. Whats the point of swimming in crap. We're only 3 weeks into the server, if you wipe now it won't discourage people, its the only legit ct2.3+ server. But if you go on with it, you let time pass....no one will come back even with the file advantage. You will never get rid of a stench of exploited server.

Start over again, don't allow dual clients, don't allow bandwidth hogging bots, and put the wiped server up once you get the new hardware and fixes.

make your own server, if you don't like this one so much : ]

Yea, some ppl have great stuff, alot moneyz, and other sh1t, but... even if you get your wish come true, after wipe you would still be nothing compared to players I mentioned above. They will still have great stuff faster than you, they will still have tons of adenas more than you and they will definitely get more high lvled chars than you.
So quit crying already, there will be no wipe, deal with it, or just leave.

p.s. I am a low lvl (65+) without great stuff, and I still don't give a fak about players who are much better than me : ] And I am glad there will be no wipe.

This not about an issue of people having better shit than me, a collabrating clan is always going to have better shit regardless but its about the economy as a whole. Its injection of adena into the system without having to work for it, making a game not a 5x server and ruining its economy. The supply of adena exceeds supply of mats making shit over priced and not match the way you lvl.

emissary · March 25, 2010, 04:00:41 PM

Well, Ive never seen a server with a proper economy. There will always be some guys who will find the way to cheat and ruin other ppl way of playing.
I agree that spoil rates is an issue, cuz it was supposed to be an x5 server, but even though that part sux, this server in overall is quite good

CommunismFTW · March 25, 2010, 04:09:57 PM

Oh come on, how much adena could have been pumped into economy from doin quests in 5 days? A few kkk (i think it's somewhere between 1 and 2kkk)? Wow, soooooo much for a server with over 4k online daily. The only reason prices are so high is because of the stupid 1x spoil. Hope they'll change it as soon as possible.

..MinDiuSe.. · March 25, 2010, 04:22:10 PM

Quote from: CommunismFTW on March 25, 2010, 04:09:57 PM
Oh come on, how much adena could have been pumped into economy from doin quests in 5 days? A few kkk (i think it's somewhere between 1 and 2kkk)? Wow, soooooo much for a server with over 4k online daily. The only reason prices are so high is because of the stupid 1x spoil. Hope they'll change it as soon as possible.

ye not doing sub q for my second char because waiting for 5x

BoBczech · March 25, 2010, 04:38:13 PM

OK thanks for comments MIchaelV, but there is one more unanswered question - how about unbanned players? All of them weren´t guilty, or is true, that player can donate unban for boting, exploiting etc. for 50 (someone says 100,200...) dollars? No offense, i just inquire, because so many players say that... And I just take interest about facts. Because if there is some way, how exploiters can buy "indulgence", i think it´s very, very poor and bans are for nothing...

pokemontrainer · March 25, 2010, 05:17:37 PM

its 3k coins for unban

Volume · March 25, 2010, 05:18:12 PM

Quote from: CommunismFTW on March 25, 2010, 04:09:57 PM
Oh come on, how much adena could have been pumped into economy from doin quests in 5 days? A few kkk (i think it's somewhere between 1 and 2kkk)? Wow, soooooo much for a server with over 4k online daily. The only reason prices are so high is because of the stupid 1x spoil. Hope they'll change it as soon as possible.

i seen 3 seperate people show adena for 1.5kkk on their ONE character. I think its more.

Rbx · March 25, 2010, 05:34:06 PM

Quote from: lawlbot on March 25, 2010, 11:19:55 AM
I swear the economy is totally Fooked up, its exploited to hell and clans are leaving, and players are leaving. I sincerely suggest a wipe. Whats the point of swimming in crap. We're only 3 weeks into the server, if you wipe now it won't discourage people, its the only legit ct2.3+ server. But if you go on with it, you let time pass....no one will come back even with the file advantage. You will never get rid of a stench of exploited server.

Start over again, don't allow dual clients, don't allow bandwidth hogging bots, and put the wiped server up once you get the new hardware and fixes.

+1

Malarki · March 25, 2010, 05:39:20 PM

Quote from: Rbx on March 25, 2010, 05:34:06 PM
Quote from: lawlbot on March 25, 2010, 11:19:55 AM
I swear the economy is totally Fooked up, its exploited to hell and clans are leaving, and players are leaving. I sincerely suggest a wipe. Whats the point of swimming in crap. We're only 3 weeks into the server, if you wipe now it won't discourage people, its the only legit ct2.3+ server. But if you go on with it, you let time pass....no one will come back even with the file advantage. You will never get rid of a stench of exploited server.

Start over again, don't allow dual clients, don't allow bandwidth hogging bots, and put the wiped server up once you get the new hardware and fixes.

+1

oh my god

MichaelV · March 25, 2010, 06:25:57 PM

Yes, u can donate for unban if ur banned for boting. About exploiting, i didn't asked, but it should be pretty clear that it isn't available. It probably depends on situation and severity.

Volume, i'm expecting screens with those 3 guys having over 1.5kkk each and don't tell u didn't print screened this because this is NOT something u don't screen. Anyway, if they obtained it through duping, they will be punished. As i said, admin DIDN'T checked the logs yet.

Edit: I guess it would be possible for a single person to make 1.5kkk in those 5 days with the 3rd class change quest, on 5x rates reward is 25kk. Lets assume he got 5x reward for quest every time, that's 125kk for 1 quest/char. He would need to have had over 10 chars ready for 3rd class change during those 5 days. It looks very unlikely to me but possible nonetheless.

Hildr · March 25, 2010, 08:02:04 PM

I was with him and I didn't take a screenshot either so don't just make assumptions. Fortunately though I remembered the guys name, fragma and he's a dagger. Go ahead and check it out. I know that was only one of them but after the first it was nothing special, just another exploiter, cool. You won't catch all of them and you'd be a fucking fool to try and downplay the kinds of exploits that happened. The server is pretty much ruined. Not choosing to rollback was flat out the worst l2 administrative decision I have ever seen. You guys run on personal preference / pure stubbornness when you make choices and never common sense.