Curious doing around...

MichaelV · March 25, 2010, 08:05:23 PM

I'm not downplaying anything, i've seen a doctored imaged on forum yesterday, that's why i'm asking. Thnx for the nick, i'll be sure to pass it on.
And about rollback, u should have more faith in admin, he would have did that if he thought it's necessary. If he says he can take care of it like this, why don't u trust him? Give him a chance first.

Y0yOy0 · March 25, 2010, 08:07:52 PM

Quote from: MichaelV on March 25, 2010, 06:25:57 PM
Yes, u can donate for unban if ur banned for boting. About exploiting, i didn't asked, but it should be pretty clear that it isn't available. It probably depends on situation and severity.

Volume, i'm expecting screens with those 3 guys having over 1.5kkk each and don't tell u didn't print screened this because this is NOT something u don't screen. Anyway, if they obtained it through duping, they will be punished. As i said, admin DIDN'T checked the logs yet.

Edit: I guess it would be possible for a single person to make 1.5kkk in those 5 days with the 3rd class change quest, on 5x rates reward is 25kk. Lets assume he got 5x reward for quest every time, that's 125kk for 1 quest/char. He would need to have had over 10 chars ready for 3rd class change during those 5 days. It looks very unlikely to me but possible nonetheless.

Ofc it is possible. who told u ppl got rewards 5 times only ? guess how many times i can click "Quest" for a 60+ second lag spike.

Hildr · March 25, 2010, 08:12:45 PM

This went on for a very long time on a server that has 4k players daily (cos the counter is +1k). Even if only 1k people exploited at all and 100 of them were serious, that is an unrealistic amount of information to check for even 1 exploit. Finding out who did it initially would be near impossible, then you'd need to find out the current whereabouts of all the items because anyone with half a brain would take steps to prevent it being found such as spending adena INSTANTLY on the market and exchanging it for goods or trading it across multiple accounts on different days to make it hard to track. I'm sorry but I find it hard for someone to tell me "it's cool, I'll just check through about 168 hours of information for 4k people and find everything before they manage to hide / protect it". It CANNOT be done. Even if it could be done, how the fuck is that anywhere near as good of an option as "we'll roll back to 5 days earlier and fix everything instantly". 5 days loss for total protection of any exploits whereas now it's over 5 days since it even happened and next to no one has been caught. It was an AWFUL choice.

MichaelV · March 25, 2010, 08:25:00 PM

Agree with u, me personally would've choosen to rollback 2-3 days but it's not up to me. And i also think he won't catch everyone, it's common sense. Admin probably thought that cleaning this as best as he can is better then 5 days rollback.

Buxanto · March 25, 2010, 08:31:24 PM

pls 3 days rollback, i hadn't played 2 days and today we failed 2 dc robes

Hildr · March 25, 2010, 08:33:35 PM

Why ask me to have faith then if you agree with me and know he can't do what he says? I'm a legit player and I have been on every single l2 server I've ever been on, and it's something I'm very proud of because not many people can say that when they've played l2 as long me but now I'm in a position where I personally would prefer a wipe / much longer rollback to completely clean everything because being legit gets you fucking nowhere appearently, and rely on the antibot to prevent it from ever happening in the future (I'm under the impression it stops item lag, or so someone told me anyway). I know it doesn't mean much because I'm just one guy (one hated guy thanks to circumstance) but I was waiting for this server so anxiously from before christmas even and pictured it lasting a long long time because of the potential and now I'm gonna quit not even 1 full month in because the admin team is legendarily incompetant. Like I said, one guy saying he's gonna quit never means much to anyone, but I'd bet my life there's plenty other players who feel the same way as me.

MichaelV · March 25, 2010, 08:43:25 PM

First of all, if you're expecting perfection, you're never gonna be happy. Such thing, when humans are involved, does NOT exist.

I told you to have some faith cause he knows what he's doing. But things move slow cause he's just 1 guy and he likes to do things alone. At least, that's what i understood. You'll have to make peace with the fact that there's no such thing as a perfect private server.
If you leave thinking that you're gonna find a perfect server somewhere, ur wrong. You have to weigh in the good but also the bad and choose what's best for you. Then you'll have too support the bads of the server u choosed. And this server has bads just like any other out there, and if u think what happened and the way it's being fixed is so much ~~better~~ worser (sry >.<) then some other place, then go there. You'll be more happy probably.

Hildr · March 25, 2010, 08:47:50 PM

I don't expect perfection, like I said, I expect common sense. You have the files, that is what's wrong with 99% of l2 private servers, it's so hard to believe that when you have everything you need to run the best l2 private server that ever existed you lack the intelligence to maintain it.

greennight · March 25, 2010, 08:50:45 PM

nothing against you michealIV but you are asking people to thrust stuff that can change their punishment for breaking their rules by power of money. and somehow this staff is making some nice "fixes" against major clans on servers (hero zerk,Sod 30x, valakas 5x )
just write it simple as it is "you can play here if you want ,and if you dont go away we are making the rules and decide about changing things and punishing people that abuse bugs like we want and dont care what comunity thinks "

MichaelV · March 25, 2010, 08:57:59 PM

That's what u think? That they don't care what u think?
Did u maybe thought that they care but they don't share the same opinion? And being their server, they choose what it's best for it?

What do u mean by maintaining it Hildr, the dupe problem caused by item lags? How do u expect a private server admin to know about this before it happens? It happened even on retail and it was fixed there, and it was fixed here. Sh1t happens in this world every second, deal with it. We're all humans, don't expect us to behave like robots, we are bound to make mistakes and we try to fix them as good as possible.

Invic7ae · March 25, 2010, 08:58:22 PM

Quote from: Hildr on March 25, 2010, 08:33:35 PM
Why ask me to have faith then if you agree with me and know he can't do what he says? I'm a legit player and I have been on every single l2 server I've ever been on, and it's something I'm very proud of because not many people can say that when they've played l2 as long me but now I'm in a position where I personally would prefer a wipe / much longer rollback to completely clean everything because being legit gets you fucking nowhere appearently, and rely on the antibot to prevent it from ever happening in the future (I'm under the impression it stops item lag, or so someone told me anyway). I know it doesn't mean much because I'm just one guy (one hated guy thanks to circumstance) but I was waiting for this server so anxiously from before christmas even and pictured it lasting a long long time because of the potential and now I'm gonna quit not even 1 full month in because the admin team is legendarily incompetant. Like I said, one guy saying he's gonna quit never means much to anyone, but I'd bet my life there's plenty other players who feel the same way as me.

to do a rollback, fist you have to backup files.
Rollback is like loading a savegame, if he didint save earlier he cant do it now!

Hildr · March 25, 2010, 09:01:12 PM

If they care but don't share the same opinion when it's pretty much been proven that their justification is impossible that is exactly what I said, isn't it? Lacking intelligence.

I don't think it could have been expected or predicted, the only room for admin intervention was cleaning up the mess, and for that they chose the worst possible route. Again, intelligence.

jadehouse · March 25, 2010, 09:02:01 PM

Quote from: MichaelV on March 25, 2010, 08:57:59 PMIt happened even on retail and it was fixed there

Did NCSoft make an announcement about any of this?

Hildr · March 25, 2010, 09:03:31 PM

Quote from: Invic7ae on March 25, 2010, 08:58:22 PM
to do a rollback, fist you have to backup files.
Rollback is like loading a savegame, if he didint save earlier he cant do it now!

There's been rollbacks on the 30x, I see no reason to believe at some point in time since server opening that it has not been backed up. Yes a lot of people would be pissed if it was rolled to first week or something, but that's not so much time in comparison to how long the exploiters will be benefitting from their work if left unchecked.

MichaelV · March 25, 2010, 09:05:19 PM

Quote from: Hildr on March 25, 2010, 09:01:12 PM
If they care but don't share the same opinion when it's pretty much been proven that their justification is impossible that is exactly what I said, isn't it? Lacking intelligence.

I don't think it could have been expected or predicted, the only room for admin intervention was cleaning up the mess, and for that they chose the worst possible route. Again, intelligence.

Excuse me for asking you this, what experience do you have with databases? And more precise, with l2 db's?

You're lacking attention, while i did said he can't catch everyone, he can catch enough that it makes it a better option then rollback. Understand?

Hildr · March 25, 2010, 09:06:18 PM

Quote from: MichaelV on March 25, 2010, 09:05:19 PM
Excuse me for asking you this, what experience do you have with databases? And more precise, with l2 db's?

You're lacking attention, while i did said he can't catch everyone, he can catch enough that it makes it a better option then rollback. Understand?

You realise that's a very foolish statement considering rollback DOES catch everyone.

MichaelV · March 25, 2010, 09:07:54 PM

And in the same time it deletes ~5k peoples play time for 5 days, it would make a lot of people mad.

Hildr · March 25, 2010, 09:09:21 PM

What takes more time?

Every player to catch up 5 days of work
Every legit player to catch up to every exploiters 5 days of work

Takes more than 5 days to make the kind of adena that even just 1 guy was rolling around in. It would make a lot of people mad yes but don't dare use that as an excuse considering the majority of the population was practically begging for a rollback. If anything more people are pissed that they were completely ignored.

Riv · March 25, 2010, 09:18:27 PM

so much drama.
sure situation sux ballz.
but admin already said what's his decision.
i see no point to argue.

MichaelV · March 25, 2010, 09:19:10 PM

Nope, there were ppl asking for rollback and there were ppl that didn't. Admin has chosen this option, so live with it. If u can't, there's only one option for you, don't think i need to tell u what it is. Sry to see u go (if u leave) but that's ur decision and i respect it.

p.s. every legit player won't have to catch up to every exploiters 5 days of work cause, as i said, many of them will get their duped items/adena/skills deleted.

Hildr · March 25, 2010, 09:19:51 PM

Sure they will.

MichaelV · March 25, 2010, 09:22:13 PM

I guess discussion ends here. Take care whatever u choose to do.

/closed