what is the best party setup?
/discuss
elder
cardi
dc
swm
sd
sh
sorc or sps
elemental master
judicator
my personal favourite : TH AW HE Berserker.
Replace HE with Paladin when he's off :D
imo cardi ee swm sd dc tank dager soulhond zerker/dager
Archer:
SR
PR or HE
Arbalester
Soulhound
BD/SwS
EE/Bishop/WC
Mage:
SH
Necro
SpS/Sorc
Tank or WC or maybe even Soulhound
BD/SwS/EE/Bishop/OL
Mixed groups are especially good for pvp nowadays, you could probably pick any combination of archers/daggers/arbalester/tanks/ect with a Soulhound and be decent for 9v9's.
It might even be worth taking an arbalester into a melee group. They are often overlooked, but Prahnah is just retardedly imba and RT +decrease defence is just orgasmic for any sort of fighter
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 07, 2010, 05:27:46 PM
elder
cardi
dc
swm
sd
sh
sorc or sps
elemental master
judicator
Why the fuck would you need an EM
Quote from: Slush on May 07, 2010, 05:35:33 PM
Archer:
SR
PR or HE
Arbalester
Soulhound
BD/SwS
EE/Bishop/WC
Mage:
SH
Necro
SpS/Sorc
Tank or WC or maybe even Soulhound
BD/SwS/EE/Bishop/OL
Mixed groups are especially good for pvp nowadays, you could probably pick any combination of archers/daggers/arbalester/tanks/ect with a Soulhound and be decent for 9v9's.
It might even be worth taking an arbalester into a melee group. They are often overlooked, but Prahnah is just retardedly imba and RT +decrease defence is just orgasmic for any sort of fighter
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 07, 2010, 05:27:46 PM
elder
cardi
dc
swm
sd
sh
sorc or sps
elemental master
judicator
Why the fuck would you need an EM
also judicator over necro wtf lol?
man judicator is strong for 15 seconds
Necro in mage pt since everyone has high dark resist, isnt good idea and necro is more powerfully on mass pvp.
judicator is a must in mage pt, and EM for emp + faster reuse of BoE
@Slush u know u can enchant impulse on time?
banes + several silences
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 07, 2010, 05:41:45 PM
Necro in mage pt since everyone has high dark resist, isnt good idea and necro is more powerfully on mass pvp.
judicator is a must in mage pt, and EM for emp + faster reuse of BoE
@Slush u know u can enchant impulse on time?
alo 2 silences
alo gloom
alo 300 dark weapons
alo mass mage/warrior bane
I just realised you didn't even have an OL in your group LOL.
Judicator is a waste of a slot in a mage group. I would much rather have a tank with +15 pt ud or even a Soulhound. Both classes actually have sustainable things to do in a group besides doing 1 buff
Quote from: Slush on May 07, 2010, 05:35:33 PM
Archer:
SR
PR or HE
Arbalester
Soulhound
BD/SwS
EE/Bishop/WC
Mage:
SH
Necro
SpS/Sorc
Tank or WC or maybe even Soulhound
BD/SwS/EE/Bishop/OL
Mixed groups are especially good for pvp nowadays, you could probably pick any combination of archers/daggers/arbalester/tanks/ect with a Soulhound and be decent for 9v9's.
It might even be worth taking an arbalester into a melee group. They are often overlooked, but Prahnah is just retardedly imba and RT +decrease defence is just orgasmic for any sort of fighter
+1 For archer pt,
For mage pt ill go for OL: Seal of Despair, Seal of Blockade and Seal of Limit FTW.
Meele pt:
SH, Berz, x2Dagger's or mixed: SH,Berz, Trix, Dagger.
BD, SWS,
WC,
EE/BP
BTW, mixed is best for mage group ganging.
Quote from: Slush on May 07, 2010, 05:58:08 PM
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 07, 2010, 05:41:45 PM
Necro in mage pt since everyone has high dark resist, isnt good idea and necro is more powerfully on mass pvp.
judicator is a must in mage pt, and EM for emp + faster reuse of BoE
@Slush u know u can enchant impulse on time?
alo 2 silences
alo gloom
alo 300 dark weapons
alo mass mage/warrior bane
I just realised you didn't even have an OL in your group LOL.
Judicator is a waste of a slot in a mage group. I would much rather have a tank with +15 pt ud or even a Soulhound. Both classes actually have sustainable things to do in a group besides doing 1 buff
300 dark atributr? every nuker can have 300 ele
banes arent problem if u have good dc in pt
for what do u need OL? for emp? u have EM for emp + faster reuse of BOE
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 07, 2010, 06:02:46 PM
banes arent problem if u have good dc in pt
Just loled...
What u can know about pvp and pt setup on GFinal since 90% of this community came from c5 azure :)))))
cool story
No 9v9's or most pvps of any kind are going to require a faster reuse of BoE. Stop clinging to the idea that EM is useful for anything besides AoE trains.
OL has Zerk. Seals. FoI. VoP. OH BUT WAIT LETS GET FASTER BOE REUSE FKFKFKFKFK
If we are talking about the best group setup, im guessing we are talking about having end game status? Ie 300 Element weapons on all the Mages/DD's. Oh wait, you can't go higher that 150 on dex i forgot =(
Yeah man Doom Cryer is anti-bane class obviously. ))))
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 07, 2010, 06:09:15 PM
What u can know about pvp and pt setup on GFinal since 90% of this community came from c5 azure :)))))
said player of moded c4.....
Quote from: Slush on May 07, 2010, 06:10:45 PM
No 9v9's or most pvps of any kind are going to require a faster reuse of BoE. Stop clinging to the idea that EM is useful for anything besides AoE trains.
OL has Zerk. Seals. FoI. VoP. OH BUT WAIT LETS GET FASTER BOE REUSE FKFKFKFKFK
If we are talking about the best group setup, im guessing we are talking about having end game status? Ie 300 Element weapons on all the Mages/DD's. Oh wait, you can't go higher that 150 on dex i forgot =(
Yeah man Doom Cryer is anti-bane class obviously. ))))
fuk yeah pvp on zerk, and later u cry about geting one shoted by chimera :))) or fullbuffed PR
FOI is totally useless in GFinal
Maybe im not from that 90%?
Remove banes i/e for 2 targets your BP takes like 4/5sec's. In that 4/5 secs you missing 2 heals. Plus your pt dps goes down. I dont know in which java servers you pvped, but debuffs always was factor for mass and 9vs9pvp..
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 07, 2010, 06:12:51 PM
Quote from: Slush on May 07, 2010, 06:10:45 PM
No 9v9's or most pvps of any kind are going to require a faster reuse of BoE. Stop clinging to the idea that EM is useful for anything besides AoE trains.
OL has Zerk. Seals. FoI. VoP. OH BUT WAIT LETS GET FASTER BOE REUSE FKFKFKFKFK
If we are talking about the best group setup, im guessing we are talking about having end game status? Ie 300 Element weapons on all the Mages/DD's. Oh wait, you can't go higher that 150 on dex i forgot =(
Yeah man Doom Cryer is anti-bane class obviously. ))))
fuk yeah pvp on zerk, and later u cry about geting one shoted by chimera :))) or fullbuffed PR
FOI is totally useless in GFinal
Fully buff PR's crit for 1.5k even on mages. Who needs zerk in pve, oyeah.
If you think FoI is useless then im obviously speaking to someone FAR below the mental capacity of a monkey
Quote from: Slush on May 07, 2010, 06:17:08 PM
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 07, 2010, 06:12:51 PM
Quote from: Slush on May 07, 2010, 06:10:45 PM
No 9v9's or most pvps of any kind are going to require a faster reuse of BoE. Stop clinging to the idea that EM is useful for anything besides AoE trains.
OL has Zerk. Seals. FoI. VoP. OH BUT WAIT LETS GET FASTER BOE REUSE FKFKFKFKFK
If we are talking about the best group setup, im guessing we are talking about having end game status? Ie 300 Element weapons on all the Mages/DD's. Oh wait, you can't go higher that 150 on dex i forgot =(
Yeah man Doom Cryer is anti-bane class obviously. ))))
fuk yeah pvp on zerk, and later u cry about geting one shoted by chimera :))) or fullbuffed PR
FOI is totally useless in GFinal
Fully buff PR's crit for 1.5k even on mages. Who needs zerk in pve, oyeah.
If you think FoI is useless then im obviously speaking to someone FAR below the mental capacity of a monkey
Enlight me for what u need foi, u lose invicible if u attack or w/e
Do you know what's the reuse of Boe in gf?
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 07, 2010, 06:18:25 PM
Quote from: Slush on May 07, 2010, 06:17:08 PM
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 07, 2010, 06:12:51 PM
Quote from: Slush on May 07, 2010, 06:10:45 PM
No 9v9's or most pvps of any kind are going to require a faster reuse of BoE. Stop clinging to the idea that EM is useful for anything besides AoE trains.
OL has Zerk. Seals. FoI. VoP. OH BUT WAIT LETS GET FASTER BOE REUSE FKFKFKFKFK
If we are talking about the best group setup, im guessing we are talking about having end game status? Ie 300 Element weapons on all the Mages/DD's. Oh wait, you can't go higher that 150 on dex i forgot =(
Yeah man Doom Cryer is anti-bane class obviously. ))))
fuk yeah pvp on zerk, and later u cry about geting one shoted by chimera :))) or fullbuffed PR
FOI is totally useless in GFinal
Fully buff PR's crit for 1.5k even on mages. Who needs zerk in pve, oyeah.
If you think FoI is useless then im obviously speaking to someone FAR below the mental capacity of a monkey
Enlight me for what u need foi, u lose invicible if u attack or w/e
and for what bishop needs celestial shield?
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 07, 2010, 06:18:25 PM
Quote from: Slush on May 07, 2010, 06:17:08 PM
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 07, 2010, 06:12:51 PM
Quote from: Slush on May 07, 2010, 06:10:45 PM
No 9v9's or most pvps of any kind are going to require a faster reuse of BoE. Stop clinging to the idea that EM is useful for anything besides AoE trains.
OL has Zerk. Seals. FoI. VoP. OH BUT WAIT LETS GET FASTER BOE REUSE FKFKFKFKFK
If we are talking about the best group setup, im guessing we are talking about having end game status? Ie 300 Element weapons on all the Mages/DD's. Oh wait, you can't go higher that 150 on dex i forgot =(
Yeah man Doom Cryer is anti-bane class obviously. ))))
fuk yeah pvp on zerk, and later u cry about geting one shoted by chimera :))) or fullbuffed PR
FOI is totally useless in GFinal
Fully buff PR's crit for 1.5k even on mages. Who needs zerk in pve, oyeah.
If you think FoI is useless then im obviously speaking to someone FAR below the mental capacity of a monkey
Enlight me for what u need foi, u lose invicible if u attack or w/e
Archer party prahnahs -> FoI, stand for 30 seconds
Rushing in sieges, don't use skills allows you to get a better position.
It basically allows you to dictate a 30 second period which you can use to get a better position. Be it getting ganked/porting into somewhere/rushing into a large number of enemy.
Yes, its extremely nerfed but its by far not useless.
And only for that, i count that much on debuffs, OL can be in pt instead of DC
OL
Cardi
ES
SWM
SD
Judicator
Necro
Sh
SPS/Sorc
I'd still say Tank > Judicator
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 07, 2010, 06:09:15 PM
What u can know about pvp and pt setup on GFinal since 90% of this community came from c5 azure :)))))
You do realize you are still playing c4 ?
You do realize that boe re-use in GF is 30 min,ohh wait lets take pony instead of another recharger i heard magnus with 7 sec nukes is serious business.
You do realize that you will make MI max +15 in lvl 80,unless you are total retard(it might be this case),and you will waste fckload of masterys for your subclass ,which is good in mage party for max 30 secs.
Ohh and you do realize that you are not troll,but just imbecile,who doesnt know what is trolling,and that being brain damaged idiot and showing that in forums isnt called spamming.
Dear lord you are so dumb that it isnt even funny anymore.
LF more tips from pvp genius.
SE BD 7 mages and dualboxed EE ( out of pt ofc )
bp
ee
db
th/aw
aw/th
sh
wc
bd
sws
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 07, 2010, 06:12:51 PM
fuk yeah pvp on zerk, and later u cry about geting one shoted by chimera :))) or fullbuffed PR
FOI is totally useless in GFinal
You're a total idiot dude. You wanna know for how much PR's critted me on MA Robe? For amazing 1k damage both full buffed, even a HE with Vesper Bow and AQ/Baium did only 1,2k Damage. I would go for 3 Mages (SH, Necro and SPS/Archmage), Paladin, Bischop, EE, SWM, SD, OL or WC (or WC oop for COP/COV) for PvP or later Chimera trains with mages. Another good setup is 4 Mages and without a Tank, EE can easly handle the partys MP in PvP and PvE if he is not totally retarded and actually got some +10+ Enchants on Clarity, Recharge and some other skills.
Still I prefer the first setup, because the tank can lock targets in PvP, Stun serious targets like Healer or Kamaels, BRES your healer while your nuker can still focus on the enemy, Party UD, also make it possible to train Chimeras and other shit. Not to mention mage pvp is mostly 30-90 Sec PvP, if your Mages doesnt suck and pick proper targets. <.<
Better reuse of BOE, lol dex.....
actually its like that on the 5x also from what ive heard :D
Quote from: darkflame on May 07, 2010, 11:48:55 PM
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 07, 2010, 06:12:51 PM
fuk yeah pvp on zerk, and later u cry about geting one shoted by chimera :))) or fullbuffed PR
FOI is totally useless in GFinal
You're a total idiot dude. You wanna know for how much PR's critted me on MA Robe? For amazing 1k damage both full buffed, even a HE with Vesper Bow and AQ/Baium did only 1,2k Damage. I would go for 3 Mages (SH, Necro and SPS/Archmage), Paladin, Bischop, EE, SWM, SD, OL or WC (or WC oop for COP/COV) for PvP or later Chimera trains with mages. Another good setup is 4 Mages and without a Tank, EE can easly handle the partys MP in PvP and PvE if he is not totally retarded and actually got some +10+ Enchants on Clarity, Recharge and some other skills.
Still I prefer the first setup, because the tank can lock targets in PvP, Stun serious targets like Healer or Kamaels, BRES your healer while your nuker can still focus on the enemy, Party UD, also make it possible to train Chimeras and other shit. Not to mention mage pvp is mostly 30-90 Sec PvP, if your Mages doesnt suck and pick proper targets. <.<
say that to Troyz from teon
EE,BP,SWS,BD,WC,WK,tank,WL,destr. NOT pvp pt but pve pt.
Quote from: socket on May 08, 2010, 12:31:10 AM
EE,BP,SWS,BD,WC,WK,tank,WL,destr. NOT pvp pt but pve pt.
wrong..
change ee with se, change warlock with maestro... change warlord with soulhound...
my party. enough said.
Quote from: Malicious on May 08, 2010, 12:36:42 AM
Quote from: socket on May 08, 2010, 12:31:10 AM
EE,BP,SWS,BD,WC,WK,tank,WL,destr. NOT pvp pt but pve pt.
wrong..
change ee with se, change warlock with maestro... change warlord with soulhound...
maestro LF CP ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Russinha on May 08, 2010, 01:23:24 AM
my party. enough said.
You act like your pt is best on server, which is absurdity
i dunno if it is the best son, but with the equip/lvl we have, i can say we are close to best or among them.
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 08, 2010, 12:23:27 AM
Quote from: darkflame on May 07, 2010, 11:48:55 PM
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 07, 2010, 06:12:51 PM
fuk yeah pvp on zerk, and later u cry about geting one shoted by chimera :))) or fullbuffed PR
FOI is totally useless in GFinal
You're a total idiot dude. You wanna know for how much PR's critted me on MA Robe? For amazing 1k damage both full buffed, even a HE with Vesper Bow and AQ/Baium did only 1,2k Damage. I would go for 3 Mages (SH, Necro and SPS/Archmage), Paladin, Bischop, EE, SWM, SD, OL or WC (or WC oop for COP/COV) for PvP or later Chimera trains with mages. Another good setup is 4 Mages and without a Tank, EE can easly handle the partys MP in PvP and PvE if he is not totally retarded and actually got some +10+ Enchants on Clarity, Recharge and some other skills.
Still I prefer the first setup, because the tank can lock targets in PvP, Stun serious targets like Healer or Kamaels, BRES your healer while your nuker can still focus on the enemy, Party UD, also make it possible to train Chimeras and other shit. Not to mention mage pvp is mostly 30-90 Sec PvP, if your Mages doesnt suck and pick proper targets. <.<
say that to Troyz from teon
He never does over 2k damage on buffed people. Gratz
Quote from: Slush on May 08, 2010, 01:52:13 AM
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 08, 2010, 12:23:27 AM
Quote from: darkflame on May 07, 2010, 11:48:55 PM
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 07, 2010, 06:12:51 PM
fuk yeah pvp on zerk, and later u cry about geting one shoted by chimera :))) or fullbuffed PR
FOI is totally useless in GFinal
You're a total idiot dude. You wanna know for how much PR's critted me on MA Robe? For amazing 1k damage both full buffed, even a HE with Vesper Bow and AQ/Baium did only 1,2k Damage. I would go for 3 Mages (SH, Necro and SPS/Archmage), Paladin, Bischop, EE, SWM, SD, OL or WC (or WC oop for COP/COV) for PvP or later Chimera trains with mages. Another good setup is 4 Mages and without a Tank, EE can easly handle the partys MP in PvP and PvE if he is not totally retarded and actually got some +10+ Enchants on Clarity, Recharge and some other skills.
Still I prefer the first setup, because the tank can lock targets in PvP, Stun serious targets like Healer or Kamaels, BRES your healer while your nuker can still focus on the enemy, Party UD, also make it possible to train Chimeras and other shit. Not to mention mage pvp is mostly 30-90 Sec PvP, if your Mages doesnt suck and pick proper targets. <.<
say that to Troyz from teon
He never does over 2k damage on buffed people. Gratz
And? His pt is best pt and this pt is archer pt, i think you have problems with processing information in your brain
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gf...
nonfactors from ph34r are not allowed to talk with big boyz
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 08, 2010, 02:07:51 AM
nonfactors from ph34r are not allowed to talk with big boyz
just logged to say you are an idiot and you remind me of the guy with dash and acumen somehow, dunno if u r him , but u r very similar
Quote from: xtln on May 08, 2010, 03:19:13 AM
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 08, 2010, 02:07:51 AM
nonfactors from ph34r are not allowed to talk with big boyz
just logged to say you are an idiot and you remind me of the guy with dash and acumen somehow, dunno if u r him , but u r very similar
acu dash guy was Relic
hi bob
Assuming all are level 85,
Abyss Walker
Soul Hound
Berserker
Cardinal
Elven Elder
Prophet
Overlord
SWM
BD
lol at nuker partys without WC or pp. funny people indeed.
melee:
SH
Zerker
PW
4th dd can be, filled by an HE, a tank, a glad, or a dagger, or a prophet. with any of those the party will still own.
ee
card
cov
bd
swm
my hypothetical group >> yours
+1 to classicks setup
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 08, 2010, 02:07:51 AM
nonfactors from ph34r are not allowed to talk with big boyz
gtfo razielka!
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 08, 2010, 01:57:58 AM
Quote from: Slush on May 08, 2010, 01:52:13 AM
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 08, 2010, 12:23:27 AM
Quote from: darkflame on May 07, 2010, 11:48:55 PM
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 07, 2010, 06:12:51 PM
fuk yeah pvp on zerk, and later u cry about geting one shoted by chimera :))) or fullbuffed PR
FOI is totally useless in GFinal
You're a total idiot dude. You wanna know for how much PR's critted me on MA Robe? For amazing 1k damage both full buffed, even a HE with Vesper Bow and AQ/Baium did only 1,2k Damage. I would go for 3 Mages (SH, Necro and SPS/Archmage), Paladin, Bischop, EE, SWM, SD, OL or WC (or WC oop for COP/COV) for PvP or later Chimera trains with mages. Another good setup is 4 Mages and without a Tank, EE can easly handle the partys MP in PvP and PvE if he is not totally retarded and actually got some +10+ Enchants on Clarity, Recharge and some other skills.
Still I prefer the first setup, because the tank can lock targets in PvP, Stun serious targets like Healer or Kamaels, BRES your healer while your nuker can still focus on the enemy, Party UD, also make it possible to train Chimeras and other shit. Not to mention mage pvp is mostly 30-90 Sec PvP, if your Mages doesnt suck and pick proper targets. <.<
say that to Troyz from teon
He never does over 2k damage on buffed people. Gratz
And? His pt is best pt and this pt is archer pt, i think you have problems with processing information in your brain
You were talking about one character, not a party.
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 08, 2010, 03:21:54 AM
Quote from: xtln on May 08, 2010, 03:19:13 AM
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 08, 2010, 02:07:51 AM
nonfactors from ph34r are not allowed to talk with big boyz
just logged to say you are an idiot and you remind me of the guy with dash and acumen somehow, dunno if u r him , but u r very similar
acu dash guy was Relic
You cant even lie properly :(
spellhowler,th,glad,warlock suports - win
wouldn't a SE be better than EE in archer pty?
yes for give vr to archers and stigma mobs
Quote from: Pel8 on May 09, 2010, 02:29:15 AM
yes for give vr to archers and stigma mobs
well, stigma was what i thought about. it works only on mobs? or what? (i have no idea how it works)
Stigma only work for melee dmg, for archer pt u need trickter with Real Target is liek stigma but for archers
Quote from: Pel8 on May 09, 2010, 02:41:36 AM
Stigma only work for melee dmg, for archer pt u need trickter with Real Target is liek stigma but for archers
thanks for the info :)
8 mages and OL imo
9 OLs and 10th oop