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Title: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Sirius92 on May 01, 2010, 07:05:54 PM
I mean, why the hell is NOT allowed to bring high lvl characters near Barakiel/Zaken, etc.

I heard this was retail-like server  :o
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: HopiCocolar on May 01, 2010, 07:15:50 PM
near aq also?
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 01, 2010, 07:17:54 PM
Please explain the problem throughly so i'm well informed when talking with admins.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: CrossFirepwnz on May 01, 2010, 07:19:14 PM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 01, 2010, 07:17:54 PM
Please explain the problem throughly so i'm well informed when talking with admins.

Server will be on, before tw start? ;o

MV: didn't even knew it is off, just logged. Brb with info
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Sirius92 on May 01, 2010, 07:22:24 PM
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 01, 2010, 07:15:50 PM
near aq also?

You can't be near AQ with high levels since Gracia.

Quote from: MichaelV on May 01, 2010, 07:17:54 PM
Please explain the problem throughly so i'm well informed when talking with admins.

Dunno, I posted something like this before and it was deleted, in the past you could stay at Barakiel being high level and also hit it using Berserker hero,Mistyc Inmunity,etc. now you get ported back to the nearest village.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 01, 2010, 07:26:23 PM
What exactly do you mean you can't stay near it? Do u get raid curse like next to AQ? Or you can stay normally and the only problem is when u try to hit with MI / hero bers on?

Server is down because of a DDoS attack, don't know who.
1Gb/s ... serious stuff
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: mek on May 01, 2010, 07:29:54 PM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 01, 2010, 07:26:23 PM
What exactly do you mean you can't stay near it? Do u get raid curse like next to AQ? Or you can stay normally and the only problem is when u try to hit with MI / hero bers on?

Server is down because of a DDoS attack, don't know who.
1Gb/s ... serious stuff

An unannounced custom feature was added that makes you port to town(gludio) as an addition to getting raid cursed. This is the issue.

MV: do you get raid curse just by being next to the raid? Or only when u hit him with MI on? (and get ported to gludio)
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: n0click on May 01, 2010, 07:32:07 PM
michael , if u try to hit bara with high lvl u get ported to town , which is not an gracia feature or any other chronical , i was playing on retail and players were using PP lvl 78-79 skills Mystic imunity to be imunte 30 seconds to raid curse to killt he raid , or the hero berzek
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: is2s on May 01, 2010, 07:33:30 PM
Not just hit bara but if you buff with high lvl char you gte ported to gludio and silenced
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 01, 2010, 07:34:00 PM
It was probably done to give more ppl a chance to last hit for nobless. Anyway, i will talk with them about this and give you an answer (probably monday).
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: mek on May 01, 2010, 07:35:44 PM
Quote from: mek on May 01, 2010, 07:29:54 PM
An unannounced custom feature was added that makes you port to town(gludio) as an addition to getting raid cursed. This is the issue.

MV: do you get raid curse just by being next to the raid? Or only when u hit him with MI on? (and get ported to gludio)

When the raid casts Raid Curse like it normally would, it also casts a custom  "return to gludio" skill on the player(s) instantly.

This is also an issue for other low level raids, not just barakiel.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 01, 2010, 07:36:25 PM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 01, 2010, 07:26:23 PM
What exactly do you mean you can't stay near it? Do u get raid curse like next to AQ? Or you can stay normally and the only problem is when u try to hit with MI / hero bers on?

Server is down because of a DDoS attack, don't know who.
1Gb/s ... serious stuff

cabrio/barakiel rb lvl 70
destro lvl 79, pp lvl 79
destro uses frenzy zealot
pp casts mystic immunity on destro
now in normal gameplay destro should slay cabrio in 30s w/o cabrio hitting back - like hitting npc w/o any AI
but
here we have very strange situation
destro after hitting cabrio once gets teleported to town
so my question is:
WTF?
as i remember GMs were supposed to not interfere in gameplay but they do, now mystic immunity is useful only for oly

it was said this server is goin to be official-like, i just hope u can give us some reasonable answer why we must have new and new custom crap everyday

MV: i understand, i'll see what can be done. I don't know why this was done since i didn't talked with them about this, but i can guess it was done so less powerful clans have a chance to last hit it.
And now a question for you, what is this "new and new custom crap every day"? Beside this MI / Hero bers i don't know of any other custom change. Oh yes, the craft shops denied in giran too.

actualy it was only about MI and Heroic bers :)
said that only to show how much dissatisfied players r bcuz of those
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: James_p on May 01, 2010, 07:42:05 PM
this is kinda sh1tty....why to not be able to go lasthit it with high lvl chars to prevent enemy from getting more nobls?I dont understand this even more since there is possibility of being nobl through TW....maybe this is new feature to piss of top clans so they will move to new 8x....
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Sirius92 on May 01, 2010, 07:43:02 PM
People has the chance to get nobless through TWs if they want to control raids that way they should get a PP  :o
My point is, why again unannounced changes which interfer into retail gameplay ?
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 01, 2010, 07:46:17 PM
They probably didn't thought this is a big change that needs to be announced. They obviously were wrong : ). And you don't need to convince me about why this is wrong : ), just wanted to know how it works so i can explain them what and how.

P.S. this is not aimed at anyone, i just got used to repeat it in every cry topic: do NOT rage and everything will be fine. I'm sure you can say whatever it is on your minds without going berserk about it : )
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Sirius92 on May 01, 2010, 07:49:50 PM
I "raged" a bit because me first post was deleted like 1 week ago without saying a word  :-\
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: DrSageata on May 01, 2010, 07:56:12 PM
Man if you flame the server calling it l2j(wich everyone knows it has best files) you flame yourself and clanmates too and us all,cuz you play here too. :/ So like MikeV said don't be so melodramatic,admins will their job and things will work out. :)

MV: don't worry, he didn't said the server is l2j, he just said the change is l2j like : ). And anyway, if he wants to call it that, he's free to do it. I don't consider it as an insult.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Sirius92 on May 01, 2010, 08:07:45 PM
I used this title in reference of that changes they made...
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: HopiCocolar on May 01, 2010, 08:15:58 PM
x8 server and x30 looks like l2j with gm shop
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 01, 2010, 08:19:55 PM
Quote from: HopiCocolar on May 01, 2010, 08:15:58 PM
x8 server and x30 looks like l2j with gm shop
x8 is bad i agree

but have u even made at least 78lvl char on 30x? 30x is totally fine. u shpuld add "high rate" to ur vocabulary and maybe then u will be able to understand

still i would prefer to play on 30x than on rumunski serbar
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: HaugeH on May 01, 2010, 08:45:31 PM
From Russia with Love
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: gw44tt on May 01, 2010, 09:17:06 PM
im lving PP just for MI and solo RB farm, and now that....

gggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 01, 2010, 09:19:41 PM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 01, 2010, 07:26:23 PM
Server is down because of a DDoS attack, don't know who.
1Gb/s ... serious stuff
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Mouarf on May 01, 2010, 09:24:01 PM
btw, nice job to open a new serv the same day as TW...

what did you expect??? you get a lot of ddos attack with *5 opening. Even if *8 is a shit donate serv, its a new one and ddos attack are not a 'suprise'.

So, good job rpg administration.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: baho on May 01, 2010, 09:25:48 PM
^
lol@above post
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: James_p on May 01, 2010, 09:27:10 PM
Quote from: Mouarf on May 01, 2010, 09:24:01 PM
btw, nice job to open a new serv the same day as TW...

what did you expect??? you get a lot of ddos attack with *5 opening. Even if *8 is a shit donate serv, its a new one and ddos attack are not a 'suprise'.

So, good job rpg administration.
hey dude if U R even little smart,U can see that only x5 is down....not x8...
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Mouarf on May 01, 2010, 09:29:17 PM
Quote from: James_p on May 01, 2010, 09:27:10 PM
Quote from: Mouarf on May 01, 2010, 09:24:01 PM
btw, nice job to open a new serv the same day as TW...

what did you expect??? you get a lot of ddos attack with *5 opening. Even if *8 is a shit donate serv, its a new one and ddos attack are not a 'suprise'.

So, good job rpg administration.
hey dude if U R even little smart,U can see that only x5 is down....not x8...


WHy did they attack now??? because its new serv opening...
And the worst to attack is the more populate serv ( so *5 ).

We didnt have been attack from a long time.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: baho on May 01, 2010, 09:29:26 PM
Quote from: James_p on May 01, 2010, 09:27:10 PM
hey dude if U R even little smart,U can see that only x5 is down....not x8...
hey dude if U R even little smart,U can see that only x5 has 20 times bigger population then x8
x8 server is getting restarted every 10 minutes or so BUT it can manage to stay up with a lot less population then x5.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: stuntmantom on May 01, 2010, 09:31:32 PM
why down servah :(
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Shabaka on May 01, 2010, 09:34:40 PM
x5 down because ddos in the main on x5
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: n0click on May 01, 2010, 09:41:50 PM
cool :( tw is facked up
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: baho on May 01, 2010, 09:43:31 PM
serv on
gogogogogogo
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: James_p on May 01, 2010, 10:07:05 PM
Quote from: baho on May 01, 2010, 09:29:26 PM
Quote from: James_p on May 01, 2010, 09:27:10 PM
hey dude if U R even little smart,U can see that only x5 is down....not x8...
hey dude if U R even little smart,U can see that only x5 has 20 times bigger population then x8
x8 server is getting restarted every 10 minutes or so BUT it can manage to stay up with a lot less population then x5.


DDOS attacks again, in main on x5
Moscow with Germany try solve this problem.
The New World x5 will work periodically but we can't guarantee the process to be stable until the engineering work is done on the hosts.


something more dude?
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Xombie on May 02, 2010, 11:50:46 PM
Gratz guys, the raid in rune castle sends you to town too. I gotta call bullshit on this change, you're completely changing the game mechanics to favor one group of players. Noble and barakiel is a pvp element of the game and you've completely taken that out. Yet another unannounced change to boot.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 03, 2010, 12:46:25 AM
As soon as Alice is back ill talk to her about this change and hopefully, revert it.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Xombie on May 03, 2010, 02:27:46 AM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 03, 2010, 12:46:25 AM
As soon as Alice is back ill talk to her about this change and hopefully, revert it.

I like you.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Pawlak on May 03, 2010, 04:25:35 AM
Quote from: Xombie on May 03, 2010, 02:27:46 AM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 03, 2010, 12:46:25 AM
As soon as Alice is back ill talk to her about this change and hopefully, revert it.

I like you.

And I like you!@
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: ssj on May 03, 2010, 10:55:19 AM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 01, 2010, 07:46:17 PM
They probably didn't thought this is a big change that needs to be announced. They obviously were wrong : ). And you don't need to convince me about why this is wrong : ), just wanted to know how it works so i can explain them what and how.

P.S. this is not aimed at anyone, i just got used to repeat it in every cry topic: do NOT rage and everything will be fine. I'm sure you can say whatever it is on your minds without going berserk about it : )

allowing pulling rb to fort - ppl can make nobles with TW who cares
porting ppl away from rbs - more ppl can hit nobles (russians made enough nobleses in fortres its ok now)

:D
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: piot on May 03, 2010, 04:35:03 PM
who doesnt like our  l2j can gtfo
autopickup pls
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: NK^ on May 03, 2010, 05:10:31 PM
I don't get it, is it that hard to keep this kind of stuff retaillike? Same with petfood, who ever asked to increase it 100x (wich brought more problems already then it fixed). Just focus on fixing the bugs that are still left in the PTS files, like SoD & 1 hp rezz and stay away from customizing stuff.

Just restore the food gauge, Hero zerk, MI & raidcurse as it is on retail and start working on stuff that needs to be fixed instead of creating new problems..
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 03, 2010, 07:29:55 PM
As far as i understood, most of this changes are requested by the players on x1 server. That being the oldest server here (afaik) they are respected. Problem is, all servers have to use the same build, no idea why. But i'll try to talk to them about this and maybe keep this changes only on x1, or at least out of the x5.

And those bugs that u mentioned (sod / 1hp) are looked into, problem is that with only 2 devs (compared to an army of devs of nc) that don't even have the same experience as professional paid ones of nc it's hard to fix them. Just because u don't see them fixed it doesn't means we don't care. It simply means we didn't figured out the fix yet. And at same time there's further work being done on the antibot, not to mention the site also. With only 2 ppl, things move slow. And no, we can't get any other devs to help, so don't even bother mentioning it.

Edit:
In other news, for the moment the server time will remain as it is and the aden shop zones are being worked on.

Edit2:
I'd like to add one more thing, with your permission. About 99% of servers out there get their extenders from group of devs (like n.dev or l2ds etc.) and do very little work on the files themselves. Same for the more serious bugs, they just forward the info to the source and wait for fixes (that's why u see huge periods of time without fixes on some of those servers). From what i know only azure made everything inhouse (with maybe a couple of other exceptions). Everything here is done inhouse and that's why it takes a long time for them to be finished. So, before getting mad and upset, think about this things please.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 03, 2010, 10:49:00 PM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 03, 2010, 07:29:55 PM
As far as i understood, most of this changes are requested by the players on x1 server. That being the oldest server here (afaik) they are respected. Problem is, all servers have to use the same build, no idea why. But i'll try to talk to them about this and maybe keep this changes only on x1, or at least out of the x5.

And those bugs that u mentioned (sod / 1hp) are looked into, problem is that with only 2 devs (compared to an army of devs of nc) that don't even have the same experience as professional paid ones of nc it's hard to fix them. Just because u don't see them fixed it doesn't means we don't care. It simply means we didn't figured out the fix yet. And at same time there's further work being done on the antibot, not to mention the site also. With only 2 ppl, things move slow. And no, we can't get any other devs to help, so don't even bother mentioning it.

Edit:
In other news, for the moment the server time will remain as it is and the aden shop zones are being worked on.

Edit2:
I'd like to add one more thing, with your permission. About 99% of servers out there get their extenders from group of devs (like n.dev or l2ds etc.) and do very little work on the files themselves. Same for the more serious bugs, they just forward the info to the source and wait for fixes (that's why u see huge periods of time without fixes on some of those servers). From what i know only azure made everything inhouse (with maybe a couple of other exceptions). Everything here is done inhouse and that's why it takes a long time for them to be finished. So, before getting mad and upset, think about this things please.
very bad news
i also dont understand what 1x have to 5x and why would ppl cry about it there...
i bet some russians were crying here about that and 1x is just an excuse
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: ssj on May 03, 2010, 11:42:26 PM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 03, 2010, 07:29:55 PM
As far as i understood, most of this changes are requested by the players on x1 server. That being the oldest server here (afaik) they are respected. Problem is, all servers have to use the same build, no idea why. But i'll try to talk to them about this and maybe keep this changes only on x1, or at least out of the x5.

And those bugs that u mentioned (sod / 1hp) are looked into, problem is that with only 2 devs (compared to an army of devs of nc) that don't even have the same experience as professional paid ones of nc it's hard to fix them. Just because u don't see them fixed it doesn't means we don't care. It simply means we didn't figured out the fix yet. And at same time there's further work being done on the antibot, not to mention the site also. With only 2 ppl, things move slow. And no, we can't get any other devs to help, so don't even bother mentioning it.

Edit:
In other news, for the moment the server time will remain as it is and the aden shop zones are being worked on.

Edit2:
I'd like to add one more thing, with your permission. About 99% of servers out there get their extenders from group of devs (like n.dev or l2ds etc.) and do very little work on the files themselves. Same for the more serious bugs, they just forward the info to the source and wait for fixes (that's why u see huge periods of time without fixes on some of those servers). From what i know only azure made everything inhouse (with maybe a couple of other exceptions). Everything here is done inhouse and that's why it takes a long time for them to be finished. So, before getting mad and upset, think about this things please.

2 things

1st - why they open new server when they dont have time to fix older ones?

2nd - no offense but they dont do it for free or so  (if they are not paid by  admin then its sad ), everybody can count 1+1 when u think about how much ppl donated, so they just dont want to split it into more ppl? thats why they are only 2 ?
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: culinko on May 04, 2010, 12:01:45 AM
MichaelV are you sure someone requested to increase pet food gauge 10 times? :X
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 04, 2010, 12:08:40 AM
Culinko use google translate and go ask on ru forums.

Ssj, aren't u tired already of making assumptions?

1st - I didn't said there isn't time to fix bugs, i said the solution for them wasn't found yet. And it has nothing to do with money, it can't buy knowledge. And the knowledge to fix such errors is not easy to get.
2nd - One of them is the admin himself and the other is a close friend. Now, do u wanna rephrase? And if you don't realize why this work can't be "split" with other persons then, i don't know... maybe u should think it a little more and you'll understand eventually.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: SplichO on May 04, 2010, 12:11:18 AM
What went wrong on the 1 st place, pets were fine before some restart that made pets go 10% food and nearly dying and now you got to click to feed them or w/e. Dunno i am lazy to read over 3 topics to find out why this thing got changed or someone found some new bug to dupe stuff or w/e so this needed to be changed?
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: James_p on May 04, 2010, 04:43:15 AM
splicho pets wasnt dying with 10%....they had the same food as it was before restart.just food gauge increased so it means that now it takes the same time to consume 10% like before that change 100% of food
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: CJ2000 on May 04, 2010, 09:01:46 AM
How bout the fact that lvl 84 characters get ported out of Rune siege because of the raid boss Benom that patrols around?

Really thought the whole port to Gludio thing through.

Operation nerf Genocide.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: v0v04ka on May 04, 2010, 01:04:39 PM
thats what we call "vsekaknaoffe".
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 04, 2010, 02:11:52 PM
Wai L2J?
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Raziel on May 04, 2010, 02:18:42 PM
Quote from: Lokocz on May 04, 2010, 02:11:52 PM
Wai L2J?
l2j-lag :)
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Deathwish on May 04, 2010, 03:20:29 PM
MichaelV, its not only when you attack, or buff (with high lvl) the person who's targeting raid, and other situations when char would get raid curse normally. Few days ago we tryed to kill orfen and bishop 58 lvl was ported out of orfens nest - w/o targeting, healing or w/e, just enter there and "bb"
.
If administartion would like to nerf MI/hero zerk, they could just make it to dont resist from raid curse (which IMO is wrong too), but port to gludio is kinda too much. Especially in CJ2000's situation.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: piot on May 04, 2010, 05:19:10 PM
haha this thing with benom is so funny
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Pel8 on May 04, 2010, 06:45:56 PM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 03, 2010, 07:29:55 PM
Edit2:
I'd like to add one more thing, with your permission. About 99% of servers out there get their extenders from group of devs (like n.dev or l2ds etc.) and do very little work on the files themselves. Same for the more serious bugs, they just forward the info to the source and wait for fixes (that's why u see huge periods of time without fixes on some of those servers). From what i know only azure made everything inhouse (with maybe a couple of other exceptions). Everything here is done inhouse and that's why it takes a long time for them to be finished. So, before getting mad and upset, think about this things please.

Difference is here they make new bugs :s

MV: u see them as "bugs", they see them as features.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: CJ2000 on May 05, 2010, 01:50:56 AM
So because we worked hard at earning MI/hero destro, making it so we can't use it l(even though it works on retail) is a feature?

No, its operation nerf Genocide.

Any clan in the game can use MI + destro to kill a raid boss, no reason to take that ability out of the game.

They made TW for people that fail at getting barakiel.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 05, 2010, 02:04:45 AM
It's clearly not a bug, that's what i was saying. It is an intentional change. How good it is? Depends from everybody's point of view. I tried and i will continue trying to convince them, that some of this changes on x5 are not needed and some of them actually hurt the gameplay.
If i don't succeed, well, it's my fail : )
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: CJ2000 on May 05, 2010, 02:38:25 AM
And why are we stuck communicating with someone who has no authority instead of the GMs telling us their reasoning?
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 05, 2010, 02:53:48 AM
Sorry your stuck with me my darling. You are free to go learn russian and take the issue directly to the big man.

In the mean time, since i'm not enough, here: https://forumen.rpg-club.net/?p=sendmsg you can send your english message directly to the big guys.

I don't know how you got the idea that i have any authority here. I'm gonna repeat it for the ... 'don't remember' what time, i'm just a forum moderator that is trying to help you, the players, as best as possible to whatever means at my disposal. Sorry, but i don't see how i could help you more then this ...
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 05, 2010, 03:07:12 AM
cool feature which prevents characters 84+ from participating in sieges - dunno how u see it but i see it as a major bug
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: CJ2000 on May 05, 2010, 10:15:27 AM
Don't take it as a personal attack.  It is frustrating for us to have to talk through you to the Admins who won't even respond when you speak on behalf of us.

I'd like to see Alice start posting again.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 05, 2010, 02:25:47 PM
Alice is in her last year of university and she has a lot of exams to take and finish her graduation paper. She's still around, just not nearly as much as last year : )
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Deathwish on May 05, 2010, 02:26:38 PM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 05, 2010, 02:53:48 AM
here: https://forumen.rpg-club.net/?p=sendmsg you can send your english message directly to the big guys.
done.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Deathwish on May 05, 2010, 02:46:13 PM
Got answer from administration.

"Ночью меняли."
Changed this night.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 05, 2010, 03:39:59 PM
Test it out and report how it's working now : )
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Deathwish on May 05, 2010, 03:46:23 PM
ofc i will, but later ..., much later ... after work :)
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: CJ2000 on May 05, 2010, 07:51:35 PM
Fix frint.
(https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg576.imageshack.us%2Fimg576%2F9239%2Ffrint3.png&hash=954d965046ed0b806632c08f351489c9877662a4)

Before this random drop nerf, it dropped 90kk adena and a full S set every time, now it doesn't drop more than 1-2 S grade pieces and 20kk adena.

The loot table is undeniably altered and or nerfed.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Russinha on May 05, 2010, 07:55:48 PM
col story bro!
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 06, 2010, 04:40:18 AM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 05, 2010, 03:39:59 PM
Test it out and report how it's working now : )

ppl still get ported to town.... any chance to fix this BUG?
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: vaurk on May 06, 2010, 06:13:39 AM
Quote from: CJ2000 on May 05, 2010, 07:51:35 PM
The loot table is undeniably altered and or nerfed.

Operation nerf Genocide
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 06, 2010, 10:51:25 AM
Quote from: Lokocz on May 06, 2010, 04:40:18 AM
ppl still get ported to town.... any chance to fix this BUG?
Seems the change was made only on 30x. I know you have chars there, many of you, so log and test MI and post here how it works (if it's fine, i'll try to convince them to make it the same here). Thank you.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: ssj on May 06, 2010, 12:16:49 PM
Quote from: CJ2000 on May 05, 2010, 07:51:35 PM
Fix frint.
(https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg576.imageshack.us%2Fimg576%2F9239%2Ffrint3.png&hash=954d965046ed0b806632c08f351489c9877662a4)

Before this random drop nerf, it dropped 90kk adena and a full S set every time, now it doesn't drop more than 1-2 S grade pieces and 20kk adena.

The loot table is undeniably altered and or nerfed.

retail ehm ehm rpgcustomlike

i wonder how something that was working good was changed and became bug :D
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 06, 2010, 03:03:29 PM
on 30x works nrmally but this topic isnt about 30x server.....


strange things start to happen here bcuz of this "feature" like cabrio staying up for 3 days b4 some1 kills it....
seriously this is retarded...
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: KnGhtmRe on May 06, 2010, 03:09:35 PM
Quote from: ssj on May 06, 2010, 12:16:49 PM
i wonder how something that was working good was changed and became bug :D

problem with (mostly ) bugless serves is that devs get bored. they made some bug to have smth to fix :))
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: satanko on May 06, 2010, 03:49:04 PM
Quote from: KnGhtmRe on May 06, 2010, 03:09:35 PM
Quote from: ssj on May 06, 2010, 12:16:49 PM
i wonder how something that was working good was changed and became bug :D

problem with (mostly ) bugless serves is that devs get bored. they made some bug to have smth to fix :))
y because 1 hp ress is fixed long ago.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Deathwish on May 06, 2010, 04:34:58 PM
Quote from: satanko on May 06, 2010, 03:49:04 PM
Quote from: KnGhtmRe on May 06, 2010, 03:09:35 PM
Quote from: ssj on May 06, 2010, 12:16:49 PM
i wonder how something that was working good was changed and became bug :D

problem with (mostly ) bugless serves is that devs get bored. they made some bug to have smth to fix :))
y because 1 hp ress is fixed long ago.
yes, same update as oly points win/loose limit, SOD was fixed those day too ..... what a wonderful day : )
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 06, 2010, 05:20:18 PM
So on x30 MI and hero bers work normaly now? "Yes/No" answer please. If "No", what is the difference from normal?
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 06, 2010, 06:24:24 PM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 06, 2010, 05:20:18 PM
So on x30 MI and hero bers work normaly now? "Yes/No" answer please. If "No", what is the difference from normal?

i checked only the mos timportant thing: do i get tp back town when i hit lowbie rb?
no, i get only curse like its supposed to be

why on 30x it can work normally and we have to suffer bcuz of this retarded bug?

forgot passes and mail on my pp so i cant check MI on 30x atm
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 06, 2010, 10:31:19 PM
Sorry, it seems on 5x it will remain like it is now. I tried my best to explain my point of view but, i failed terribly (no, not because i lack logic). Only advice i can give you is: https://forumen.rpg-club.net/?p=sendmsg

Good luck.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Slush ✿◕ ‿ ◕✿ on May 06, 2010, 10:42:36 PM
Can you actually explain the reasoning behind it?
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Sirius92 on May 06, 2010, 11:57:16 PM
Are they fucking dumb ? Seriously I'm full of this.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: KnGhtmRe on May 07, 2010, 03:01:55 AM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 06, 2010, 10:31:19 PM
Sorry, it seems on 5x it will remain like it is now. I tried my best to explain my point of view but, i failed terribly (no, not because i lack logic). Only advice i can give you is: https://forumen.rpg-club.net/?p=sendmsg

Good luck.

Sorry if this sound harsh, but did someone hit the devs on the head with smth? If not, maybe someone should. How could they leave this as it is when u get ported from Rune castle when it's a siege?!??!?! Other rb's are influenced too, but this is HUGE. Rune will not be attackable/defensible with high lvl chars. Of all the stupid mods in lineage private servers, this must be the worst i've seen.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 07, 2010, 03:09:41 AM
rune castle provides the best sieges, what do ppl have to think about it when they r getting ported town during siege bcuz of some1's retarded idea? so in near future rune will become unsiegeable?
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: ssj on May 07, 2010, 03:53:47 AM
inb4 lock
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: James_p on May 07, 2010, 05:17:19 AM
lol so even failed 30x will have better condition for playing?
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: ssj on May 07, 2010, 12:08:38 PM
maybe there could be option in donate section : fix bugs 5k coins  ;)
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Eze on May 07, 2010, 02:46:40 PM
Private serber! Fuck sieges! Go slain mobs!
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 07, 2010, 03:22:42 PM
Quote from: Slush on May 06, 2010, 10:42:36 PM
Can you actually explain the reasoning behind it?
+1


Siege of Rune has to remain bugged?
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Sirius92 on May 07, 2010, 09:13:42 PM
Dumb. BUMP
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 07, 2010, 09:20:20 PM
Fate is not yet dead, hold ur horses : )
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: NK^ on May 07, 2010, 09:50:38 PM
Quality guarantee
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Russinha on May 08, 2010, 01:45:49 AM
"It's now or never" by Elvis.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: ssj on May 08, 2010, 02:52:52 PM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 07, 2010, 09:20:20 PM
Fate is not yet dead, hold ur horses : )

when will u delete ur sig? :)
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 08, 2010, 04:51:30 PM
Quote from: ssj on May 08, 2010, 02:52:52 PM
when will u delete ur sig? :)
Never. It will remain like this even after im gone... until the account is deleted : )
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Pavel on May 08, 2010, 06:59:36 PM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 08, 2010, 04:51:30 PM
Quote from: ssj on May 08, 2010, 02:52:52 PM
when will u delete ur sig? :)
Never. It will remain like this even after im gone... until the account is deleted : )

Use the normal smile " :) "  this one makes me nervous xD
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 08, 2010, 08:30:01 PM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 08, 2010, 04:51:30 PM
Quote from: ssj on May 08, 2010, 02:52:52 PM
when will u delete ur sig? :)
Never. It will remain like this even after im gone... until the account is deleted : )
at least delete "Gracia Final 100%" writings :s

MV: no, because it is 100%. And don't start a debate on it, how it actually is 99,9%. I say it is 100%, you say it is w/e u say, leave it at that.
Now, stop going offtopic.

it was 100% pts i agree... but bugging sieges made it NOT 100% :D
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Xombie on May 09, 2010, 01:34:54 AM
"Sieging rune today, get on your lvl 80 subs guys..." 

I can only think of 1 reason as to why this was implemented: Genocide's domination of barakiel. This truely makes me think this is the most corrupt server I've played on.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: CommunismFTW on May 09, 2010, 01:48:14 AM
lol dude, this change of MI and hero berserker (except for port to gludio) is as old as 30x, before even 5x was announced.
Furthermore, it is the same on all their servers except for 30x which has been changed a few days ago. I would ban ur ass for such accusations if i could ...
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: ssj on May 09, 2010, 03:11:40 AM
nah not corrupt, its just human needs
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 09, 2010, 03:16:05 AM
Quote from: CommunismFTW on May 09, 2010, 01:48:14 AM
lol dude, this change of MI and hero berserker (except for port to gludio) is as old as 30x, before even 5x was announced.
Furthermore, it is the same on all their servers except for 30x which has been changed a few days ago. I would ban ur ass for such accusations if i could ...

its not about MI or hero zerk now...... u get ported to town uf u hit low lvl rb, thats why during siege of rune ppl r kicked town bcuz if the running rb there and the whole siege is fucked
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Xombie on May 09, 2010, 03:24:20 AM
Quote from: CommunismFTW on May 09, 2010, 01:48:14 AM
lol dude, this change of MI and hero berserker (except for port to gludio) is as old as 30x, before even 5x was announced.
Furthermore, it is the same on all their servers except for 30x which has been changed a few days ago. I would ban ur ass for such accusations if i could ...

Should I bring up the nerfing of frintezza drops or restarting the server to drop anthy level or porting of players into valakas? 
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 09, 2010, 04:10:38 AM
Quote from: Xombie on May 09, 2010, 03:24:20 AM
Should I bring up the nerfing of frintezza drops or restarting the server to drop anthy level or porting of players into valakas?  
If u continue like this i'm gonna make sure you will go on a "less" corrupt server.

IF something is really wrong with frintezza drop, it's only a result of the rates change. I hope u guys have prints with frintezza full drop lists from last times, if u wanna proove it's not ok. About rr of server, don't know what to say since i wasn't around when it happened (or at least i didn't received this "complaint" at the time so i can check it out) and the porting happenced once, because the respective gm thought it was the right thing to do at the time.

Since i have the gm char i've been checking quite a lot on the 'factors', their items/skills/pve time, and i found absolutely nothing that should suggest there's any corruption goin' around. No crazy overenchanted skills, no crazy items, no odd porting goin' around. And i'm telling you here and now, the moment i see the slightest corruption on this server i'm out of here. I'd like to see you stop with this conspiracy theories.

Btw, i've witnessed some nice 'little' fails ingame, from all sides, even got some on tape : ). Mby i'll make a little movie out of them somewhere in the future  (with ur permission ofc). Just yesterday night i've seen a nice one involving an npc named "typhoon" : )
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: vaurk on May 09, 2010, 04:44:01 AM
BEFORE

(https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg268.imageshack.us%2Fimg268%2F395%2Fl22010040901352301.jpg&hash=96c1a3d680ab66e51ba38f2d0131baf391e5fb52)

NOW

(https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg576.imageshack.us%2Fimg576%2F9239%2Ffrint3.png&hash=954d965046ed0b806632c08f351489c9877662a4)


If Admins don't do anything then I don't even know what to say.

Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Xombie on May 09, 2010, 05:31:06 AM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 09, 2010, 04:10:38 AM
Quote from: Xombie on May 09, 2010, 03:24:20 AM
Should I bring up the nerfing of frintezza drops or restarting the server to drop anthy level or porting of players into valakas?  
If u continue like this i'm gonna make sure you will go on a "less" corrupt server.

IF something is really wrong with frintezza drop, it's only a result of the rates change. I hope u guys have prints with frintezza full drop lists from last times, if u wanna proove it's not ok. About rr of server, don't know what to say since i wasn't around when it happened (or at least i didn't received this "complaint" at the time so i can check it out) and the porting happenced once, because the respective gm thought it was the right thing to do at the time.

Since i have the gm char i've been checking quite a lot on the 'factors', their items/skills/pve time, and i found absolutely nothing that should suggest there's any corruption goin' around. No crazy overenchanted skills, no crazy items, no odd porting goin' around. And i'm telling you here and now, the moment i see the slightest corruption on this server i'm out of here. I'd like to see you stop with this conspiracy theories.

Btw, i've witnessed some nice 'little' fails ingame, from all sides, even got some on tape : ). Mby i'll make a little movie out of them somewhere in the future  (with ur permission ofc). Just yesterday night i've seen a nice one involving an npc named "typhoon" : )

Just saying....seems like NA/euro players never get any breaks 'round here, and I'm STILL steamed about the donation change.  That just smacks of greed.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 09, 2010, 10:44:44 AM
That change was partly made because of my suggestion. I felt the prices were way too low and the increase was needed for the future life of the server. And as a result of this change, i'm getting twice what i got before: nothing. Greed?

Vaurk, if you're kind enough and have the necessary info, please screens with the full drop lists from last 3 frintezza's.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: vaurk on May 09, 2010, 03:05:11 PM
(https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg96.imageshack.us%2Fimg96%2F2473%2Fl22010050317202634.jpg&hash=700818e2733eb9ae2ad985b4f4220b614ec5662d)
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: ssj on May 09, 2010, 03:38:50 PM
0.001x rate drops yo haha

so awsome
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Mimek on May 09, 2010, 04:43:13 PM
Please stop ruining the server.

It's the first time in private servers history I see administration ruining potential of server files they have by setting up server SO WRONG and creating new MAJOR bugs and issues instead of fixing minor ones that were in original files they started with.

Tbh I'd like to ask administration to REVERT the server files to original ones they got (GF PTS).

Stop ruining the server. Don't make any changes to the files - you guys werent made for this.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Malicious on May 09, 2010, 05:04:07 PM
Russians is so russians... They cant just leave things who works good, they need to fuckup everything.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 09, 2010, 05:08:41 PM
this:
Quote from: Mimek on May 09, 2010, 04:43:13 PM
Tbh I'd like to ask administration to REVERT the server files to original ones they got (GF PTS).
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: KnGhtmRe on May 09, 2010, 05:49:36 PM
Quote from: vaurk on May 09, 2010, 04:44:01 AM
BEFORE

(https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg268.imageshack.us%2Fimg268%2F395%2Fl22010040901352301.jpg&hash=96c1a3d680ab66e51ba38f2d0131baf391e5fb52)

NOW

(https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg576.imageshack.us%2Fimg576%2F9239%2Ffrint3.png&hash=954d965046ed0b806632c08f351489c9877662a4)


If Admins don't do anything then I don't even know what to say.



from this screens it looks like before, epic drops wore x5, now they are x1 OR they wore x1 and now they are x1/5.. since the first one seems more likely, this is normal afaik.

NEW WORLD [x5] Server rates:
Adena/Exp/SP: amount  x5
SealStones: amount  x5
Adena, SealStones: chance 100%
Drop: chance x5, amount x1
Spoil: chance x3, amount x3-5
Quest: x5 (not for all quests)
Quest awards: exp x5, adena x5
Epic drop: chance x1, amount x1

on another note, reverting the files to their original self might solve a lot off issues. too many mods on this server and for no reason at all. it was great the way it was, why modding it?
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 09, 2010, 05:49:58 PM
Besides the hero bers / MI change, what are the other changes that annoy you so much? Make a little list if you will, so we can sort it out.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: KnGhtmRe on May 09, 2010, 05:53:44 PM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 09, 2010, 05:49:58 PM
Besides the hero bers / MI change, what are the other changes that annoy you so much? Make a little list if you will, so we can sort it out.

right of the top of my head:
- the added port to gludio to the raid curse
- the wolf increased food gauge but not feeding himself automatically
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 09, 2010, 05:56:17 PM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 09, 2010, 05:49:58 PM
Besides the hero bers / MI change, what are the other changes that annoy you so much? Make a little list if you will, so we can sort it out.
bugged rune siege
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: vaurk on May 09, 2010, 05:58:42 PM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 09, 2010, 05:49:58 PM
Besides the hero bers / MI change, what are the other changes that annoy you so much? Make a little list if you will, so we can sort it out.

crappy and stupid events.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Sirius92 on May 09, 2010, 06:20:34 PM
- MI
- Heroic Berserker
- Raid Curse + port
- Increasing of food gauge and not auto-feeding of pets anymore

Who has asked for this changes to be done ? Nobody
Who has announced this changes will be implemented ? Nobody
Who has explained why this changes may be done ? Nobody

Save yourself your speech, there is no way to understand this behaviour.
Revert the changes, give us retail-like server and we won't come here to complain.

This is the best server I've ever played, just don't ruin it.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: darkflame on May 09, 2010, 06:22:15 PM
Quote from: KnGhtmRe on May 09, 2010, 05:49:36 PM
from this screens it looks like before, epic drops wore x5, now they are x1 OR they wore x1 and now they are x1/5.. since the first one seems more likely, this is normal afaik.

(https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg118.imageshack.us%2Fimg118%2F6066%2Fhial6.jpg&hash=9d81cefaa2d409ae504721bbd9560b23130628d9)

Retail Drops (1x Rates), sup?!
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 09, 2010, 08:15:16 PM
Quote from: KnGhtmRe on May 09, 2010, 05:53:44 PM
right of the top of my head:
- the added port to gludio to the raid curse
Quote from: Lokocz on May 09, 2010, 05:56:17 PM
bugged rune siege
Quote from: Sirius92 on May 09, 2010, 06:20:34 PM
- MI
- Heroic Berserker
- Raid Curse + port
^
|
|
Quote from: MichaelV on May 09, 2010, 05:49:58 PM
Besides the hero bers / MI change

All of the above is caused by 1 change. The other change that you've said until now is the pet food gauge.

So, let me get this straight, because of two changes (out of which one is minor at best) you feel like we are "ruining" the server? And before you answer this question, please get rid of the rage and equip your mask of objectivity.


p.s. i ask again about frintezza, if u want me to have some bits of proof in talking with admins, please post in one reply, the drop lists from last 3 frintezza's. It would be nice to clearly see where the drop list starts and where it ends.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: vaurk on May 09, 2010, 08:21:29 PM
i don't have the last 3 frints. u have the screen of our last frint with 4 drops and one that is several weeks old ( lvl 79/81 )

from 18m to 100m adena

thats a proof for me

but maybe not a russian proof

sad
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 09, 2010, 08:21:39 PM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 09, 2010, 08:15:16 PM
So, let me get this straight, because of two changes (out of which one is minor at best) you feel like we are "ruining" the server?

yes


one "minor" change can completely fuck up half of l2.....

im fine with some changes as long as they r well-thought-out....

but these for sure arent one of those mentioned above:
- the added port to gludio to the raid curse
- MI
- Heroic Berserker
- Increase food gauge on pets
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 09, 2010, 08:27:41 PM
Stop going offtopic and stop mentioning other servers out of the flame section.

Lokocz, so your saying the pet food gauge increase (which i mentioned was minor) completely ruins the server? May i ask how? And if you guys are gonna continue throwing with mud at us without explaining logically and objectively your posts, i'm gonna have to start giving forum bans. Freedom of speech is one thing, talking crap is another.

Edit: I see, ninja edit. Gonna do one my self.
This is one change and is a serious one, i agree. And me personally, do not agree with it, but it's not up to me.
Quote- the added port to gludio to the raid curse
- MI
- Heroic Berserker
I believe you can see for your self the reasoning behind this change, right? I also believe you realize this is not worthy even of a minor change/problem.
Quote- Increase food gauge on pets
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 09, 2010, 08:32:53 PM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 09, 2010, 08:27:41 PM
Stop going offtopic and stop mentioning other servers out of the flame section.

Lokocz, so your saying the pet food gauge increase (which i mentioned was minor) completely ruins the server? May i ask how? And if you guys are gonna continue throwing with mud at us without explaining logically and objectively your posts, i'm gonna have to start giving forum bans. Freedom of speech is one thing, talking crap is another.



earlier i could put 2k food into pet's inventory and go afk and be sure nothing will happen to him...
situation now is:

pet dont eat, die - ppl lose several days of exping it

one minor change which can affect 2 months of playing?
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 09, 2010, 08:36:47 PM
We know about this and admins have been informed already. Still, it's the weekend, have some patience and it will be corrected.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 09, 2010, 08:39:41 PM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 09, 2010, 08:36:47 PM
We know about this and admins have been informed already. Still, it's the weekend, have some patience and it will be corrected.

what about major bugs mentioned few posts above???
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 09, 2010, 08:47:58 PM
How about you repeat them to me. All the 'bugs' i see a few posts above are the MI/hero bers change, pet food gauge increase and frintezza drop. All of which i explained.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: satanko on May 09, 2010, 09:00:53 PM
1hp ress? not being able to read messages sent in mail? i guess those two also come to the bug list :o
wasn't referring to bugs caused by admins.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 09, 2010, 09:08:01 PM
Quote from: satanko on May 09, 2010, 09:00:53 PM
1hp ress? not being able to read messages sent in mail? i guess those two also come to the bug list :o
1hp res = i talked about this before and i'll repeat it for the last time: if you guys are unable to understand why such bugs aren't fixed yet, then i have nothing more to add. When we'll have  a 100 people dev crew as NC does, this bugs will be fixed quite fast...
not answered messages in mail = can think of only 2 reasons: either it's the weekend and admins are also humans OR those messages didn't need answering. Pick whatever makes u feel better.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 09, 2010, 09:15:39 PM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 09, 2010, 09:08:01 PM
Quote from: satanko on May 09, 2010, 09:00:53 PM
1hp ress? not being able to read messages sent in mail? i guess those two also come to the bug list :o
1hp res = i talked about this before and i'll repeat it for the last time: if you guys are unable to understand why such bugs aren't fixed yet, then i have nothing more to add. When we'll have  a 100 people dev crew as NC does, this bugs will be fixed quite fast...
not answered messages in mail = can think of only 2 reasons: either it's the weekend and admins are also humans OR those messages didn't need answering. Pick whatever makes u feel better.
can u give us at least some reasoning why admins decided to make ppl unable to kill low lvl raidbosses with hero zerk/MI?
no1 was asking for this here, why such not well-thought-out idea???
rpg-5x new world was advertised as 100% gracia final, why it cant stay like it was b4? why we need such completely not need changes which bring only dissatisfaction of huge part of community?
have u at least told them about bugs descending from that ?

MV: I already said i'm against this change. And yes, i told them about the problems provoked by this change.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: ssj on May 09, 2010, 09:16:09 PM
only thing is sad that ppl can complain as much as they want but nothing will change

im here since they got the files and i saw a lot of weird things here so this is the one thing i can say 100% sure


Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 09, 2010, 09:22:13 PM
Nothing changed? Really? Are you serious?
Guess i had enough stress for today from this community, see you next week.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: satanko on May 09, 2010, 09:50:14 PM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 09, 2010, 09:08:01 PM
Quote from: satanko on May 09, 2010, 09:00:53 PM
1hp ress? not being able to read messages sent in mail? i guess those two also come to the bug list :o
1hp res = i talked about this before and i'll repeat it for the last time: if you guys are unable to understand why such bugs aren't fixed yet, then i have nothing more to add. When we'll have  a 100 people dev crew as NC does, this bugs will be fixed quite fast...
not answered messages in mail = can think of only 2 reasons: either it's the weekend and admins are also humans OR those messages didn't need answering. Pick whatever makes u feel better.
in game mails, not talking about not answering on mails
they got time to implement this dumb mode but not the time to work on the 1hp ress fix?
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Sirius92 on May 09, 2010, 09:55:37 PM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 09, 2010, 08:27:41 PM
Stop going offtopic and stop mentioning other servers out of the flame section.

Lokocz, so your saying the pet food gauge increase (which i mentioned was minor) completely ruins the server? May i ask how? And if you guys are gonna continue throwing with mud at us without explaining logically and objectively your posts, i'm gonna have to start giving forum bans. Freedom of speech is one thing, talking crap is another.

Edit: I see, ninja edit. Gonna do one my self.
This is one change and is a serious one, i agree. And me personally, do not agree with it, but it's not up to me.
Quote- the added port to gludio to the raid curse
- MI
- Heroic Berserker
I believe you can see for your self the reasoning behind this change, right? I also believe you realize this is not worthy even of a minor change/problem.
Quote- Increase food gauge on pets

QuoteWho has asked for this changes to be done ? Nobody
Who has announced this changes will be implemented ? Nobody
Who has explained why this changes may be done ? Nobody

I think nobody here it's talking bullshit or being disrespectful. They are the ones who weren't logic doing such  unannounced changes.

I understand that community can be weird some times but we have a point this time.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: vaurk on May 09, 2010, 09:57:42 PM
QuoteAnd if you guys are gonna continue throwing with mud at us without explaining logically and objectively your posts, i'm gonna have to start giving forum bans. Freedom of speech is one thing, talking crap is another.

Or maybe it's the admins job to explain logically and objectively what they are doing.

Just sayin
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: ssj on May 09, 2010, 10:03:05 PM
Quote from: MichaelV on May 09, 2010, 09:22:13 PM
Nothing changed? Really? Are you serious?
Guess i had enough stress for today from this community, see you next week.

yeah i forgot hero zerk and MI got changed :D

only thing they fixed and was good thing was fixing duping items

that bug was fixed cause the gameplay was affected and so the income of server

other things which are here since START of 30x like since september last year are still same and few were added by the stuff for who knows which reason  (talking about bugs)

peace out

u can rage how much u want but what i wrote is true

if there was another gameplay-affecting bug which would stop income in server it would be fixed asap

but ppl wont leave cause of raid curse or bugged raid drops so its all ok prolly
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: baho on May 09, 2010, 10:33:29 PM
Stop crying so much ... GOD!
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: ssj on May 09, 2010, 11:48:12 PM
sometimes im just stating the facts u know
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 10, 2010, 12:23:28 AM
sometimes its needed to "cry" for right cause....
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: DrSageata on May 10, 2010, 12:58:31 AM
Better this crying kids should play on d3x(with 50 pages thread full of bugs)some time,so they understand what real bugs mean.If genocide wants to quit server already just come up with other reasons.The files are best you can get.You don't like it go retail and play with 1k ppl or go play on any other c4 moded srv.Geez.. what a bunch of crying babies.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Xombie on May 10, 2010, 02:11:09 AM
I just want a 100% retail server like advertised. Done. I won't cry ever. This stupid little bullshit changes that come unannounced with the mentality of "150 or gtfo" coming from staff just pisses me off. I've spent way too much time here in the effort of having fun to have this private serbar changes come and ruin it for me when it gets to the best part.

I think the community deserves a valid explanation for the changing of MI/Beserk because that is in fact a HUGE deal when you combine it with the Rune bug.  I just don't understand how this change could ever be necessary.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 10, 2010, 02:13:16 AM
Quote from: Xombie on May 10, 2010, 02:11:09 AM
I just want a 100% retail server like advertised. Done. I won't cry ever. This stupid little bullshit changes that come unannounced with the mentality of "150 or gtfo" coming from staff just pisses me off. I've spent way too much time here in the effort of having fun to have this private serbar changes come and ruin it for me when it gets to the best part.

I think the community deserves a valid explanation for the changing of MI/Beserk because that is in fact a HUGE deal when you combine it with the Rune bug.  I just don't understand how this change could ever be necessary.
the problem is that no1 understands it
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Relic on May 10, 2010, 02:32:39 AM
Nice you got 20 pvp on BP  :o

Ohh sorry i forgot about what you guys were talking about.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: ssj on May 10, 2010, 11:45:11 AM
Quote from: DrSageata on May 10, 2010, 12:58:31 AM
Better this crying kids should play on d3x(with 50 pages thread full of bugs)some time,so they understand what real bugs mean.If genocide wants to quit server already just come up with other reasons.The files are best you can get.You don't like it go retail and play with 1k ppl or go play on any other c4 moded srv.Geez.. what a bunch of crying babies.

if there are bugs ok

but why they act like 100% gracia final, quality guarantee etc etc
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: CommunismFTW on May 10, 2010, 12:02:29 PM
Quote from: ssj on May 10, 2010, 11:45:11 AM
if there are bugs ok

but why they act like 100% gracia final, quality guarantee etc etc
THIS is your problem???????
omfg no coment
welcome to the real world where things aren't all pink and there isn't only happiness and this will be a shock to you: ppl don't always tell the truth! ...
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Sirius92 on May 10, 2010, 12:17:04 PM
Quote from: CommunismFTW on May 10, 2010, 12:02:29 PM
Quote from: ssj on May 10, 2010, 11:45:11 AM
if there are bugs ok

but why they act like 100% gracia final, quality guarantee etc etc
THIS is your problem???????
omfg no coment
welcome to the real world where things aren't all p1nk and there isn't only happiness and this will be a shock to you: ppl don't always tell the truth! ...

p1nk AFL!!!!!!!!!!111111 OMFGUD TRU AND PEIPOL w4t d4 f4ck


Please go away, we are trying to create a serious thread to solve this kind of problems.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: CommunismFTW on May 10, 2010, 12:19:13 PM
You're trying to make ppl NOT to lie? Good luck my dear friend :))))))
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: wakii on May 10, 2010, 06:58:23 PM
Quote from: CommunismFTW on May 10, 2010, 12:02:29 PM
Quote from: ssj on May 10, 2010, 11:45:11 AM
if there are bugs ok

but why they act like 100% gracia final, quality guarantee etc etc
THIS is your problem???????
omfg no coment
welcome to the ruskie world where things aren't all pink and there isn't only happiness and this will be a shock to you: ppl don't always tell the truth! ...
fixed.

only russians can fuk up a server with almost perfect offi files..


ps quality guaranteed  :-\
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: baho on May 10, 2010, 07:24:56 PM
While i do agree the hero bers and MI change is outright retarded and certainly NOT needed, it still doesn't stops me say this:
you guys have an extremely unbalanced measuring system. If this change means the server is destroyed, i wouldn't want to think how you'd feel playing on a server like d3x for example. I guess you would do mass sepuku's ...
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 10, 2010, 09:51:55 PM
Quote from: baho on May 10, 2010, 07:24:56 PM
While i do agree the hero bers and MI change is outright retarded and certainly NOT needed, it still doesn't stops me say this:
you guys have an extremely unbalanced measuring system. If this change means the server is destroyed, i wouldn't want to think how you'd feel playing on a server like d3x for example. I guess you would do mass sepuku's ...

administration of the server added few bugs to the game.. whats so strange ppl want them fixed?
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: ssj on May 10, 2010, 09:55:43 PM
Quote from: baho on May 10, 2010, 07:24:56 PM
While i do agree the hero bers and MI change is outright retarded and certainly NOT needed, it still doesn't stops me say this:
you guys have an extremely unbalanced measuring system. If this change means the server is destroyed, i wouldn't want to think how you'd feel playing on a server like d3x for example. I guess you would do mass sepuku's ...

why would i play such broken server? simple , i wouldnt .

i came to play here cause of the files, so i knew it cant be so bugged etc etc
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 10, 2010, 10:07:51 PM
Quote from: ssj on May 10, 2010, 09:55:43 PM
Quote from: baho on May 10, 2010, 07:24:56 PM
While i do agree the hero bers and MI change is outright retarded and certainly NOT needed, it still doesn't stops me say this:
you guys have an extremely unbalanced measuring system. If this change means the server is destroyed, i wouldn't want to think how you'd feel playing on a server like d3x for example. I guess you would do mass sepuku's ...

why would i play such broken server? simple , i wouldnt .

i came to play here cause of the files, so i knew it cant be so bugged etc etc

exactly there werent "dumb changes" in the announcements
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: baho on May 10, 2010, 10:41:56 PM
Hey, don't get mad at me :)
I didn't said such thing as they shouldn't be fixed or that it's normal to ask for them to be fixed.
I only said that ur blowing this thing waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 10, 2010, 10:48:35 PM
Quote from: baho on May 10, 2010, 10:41:56 PM
Hey, don't get mad at me :)
I didn't said such thing as they shouldn't be fixed or that it's normal to ask for them to be fixed.
I only said that ur blowing this thing waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion.

o rly?

imagine urself being not able to participate in siege bcuz of smthg like this and tell me again its blowing it out of proportion
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Xombie on May 10, 2010, 11:16:40 PM
Quote from: baho on May 10, 2010, 10:41:56 PM
Hey, don't get mad at me :)
I didn't said such thing as they shouldn't be fixed or that it's normal to ask for them to be fixed.
I only said that ur blowing this thing waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion.

Is it out of proportion when you consider the following?:

Admin made a change to favor 1 group over another.
Admin made a change that in turn created a bug for Rune siege.
-which means that there wasn't enough testing done.

What's to stop the next dumbass change like this that could kill the server? Crying right now.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: baho on May 11, 2010, 12:11:58 AM
Quote from: Lokocz on May 10, 2010, 10:48:35 PM
o rly?

imagine urself being not able to participate in siege bcuz of smthg like this and tell me again its blowing it out of proportion
Yes, it's blowing it out of proportion... a LOT! Big deal, u can't use AOE in rune siege near Benom. WOW the server is destroyed, time to go to www.BR50000x.com

Quote from: Xombie on May 10, 2010, 11:16:40 PM
Is it out of proportion when you consider the following?:

Admin made a change to favor 1 group over another.
Admin made a change that in turn created a bug for Rune siege.
-which means that there wasn't enough testing done.

What's to stop the next dumbass change like this that could kill the server? Crying right now.
What group did this change favor?
Yes, it did.
Yes, there wasn't.

I'm asking again, what is the stupid big deal? Why the hell are you so emo over this stupid change? Sure, revert this stupid change, it's not needed and it's idiotic. BUT stop making sound like you're afraid to even log in because of this change. Did this change somehow molested you as a child and ur left with serious trauma issues? (https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclicksmilies.com%2Fs1106%2Fsprachlos%2Fspeechless-smiley-004.gif&hash=0c1ca45b672ec24012a1e40a74402ed6a969ea81)
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: blackeagle on May 11, 2010, 12:48:34 AM
cant use AOE, big deal
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: baho on May 11, 2010, 01:04:00 AM
Quote from: blackeagle on May 11, 2010, 12:48:34 AM
cant use AOE NEAR BENOM if ur 84 or 85, big deal

smartass
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 11, 2010, 01:36:29 AM
Quote from: baho on May 11, 2010, 01:04:00 AM
Quote from: blackeagle on May 11, 2010, 12:48:34 AM
cant use AOE NEAR BENOM if ur 84 or 85, big deal

smartass

so high lvl bishops, sws, bds, aoe dds are not allowed to go on siege?
or u forgot that group heals, songs, dances, cp restores r "aoe" too?
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Russinha on May 11, 2010, 01:39:54 AM
and no hero skills!
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: baho on May 11, 2010, 02:01:21 AM
Quote from: Lokocz on May 11, 2010, 01:36:29 AM
so high lvl bishops, sws, bds, aoe dds are not allowed to go on siege?
or u forgot that group heals, songs, dances, cp restores r "aoe" too?
NEAR benom, 900 range i believe. Is the whole siege taking place in benoms ass? Whatever, we are arguing for nothing, EVERYONE agrees that this change should be abolished.

/end

I say we all spam their support mail asking to change this, maybe they'll listen.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: ssj on May 12, 2010, 01:39:45 PM
Quote from: baho on May 11, 2010, 02:01:21 AM
Quote from: Lokocz on May 11, 2010, 01:36:29 AM
so high lvl bishops, sws, bds, aoe dds are not allowed to go on siege?
or u forgot that group heals, songs, dances, cp restores r "aoe" too?
NEAR benom, 900 range i believe. Is the whole siege taking place in benoms ass? Whatever, we are arguing for nothing, EVERYONE agrees that this change should be abolished.

/end

I say we all spam their support mail asking to change this, maybe they'll listen.

delusions
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: rogerlucifer on May 12, 2010, 04:57:26 PM
so that's why meh(new in serv for 3 days) took a walk into AQ area with my friend SPS to check it out (IM PALA), and i got raid cursed+ported to gludio like wtf ... well my friend SPS died with those ants train saying: "AGRO THEM! AGRO THEEEEEM!!"
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
PS: AQ was off so wtf for being ported... didnt even use a skill  >:(
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: MichaelV on May 12, 2010, 05:32:17 PM
It doesn't matter, any high level char there will get raid curse and that's how it works on retail also ( 'cept for the porting to gludio stuff x_X )
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: vaurk on May 12, 2010, 05:33:08 PM
Quote from: rogerlucifer on May 12, 2010, 04:57:26 PM
so that's why meh(new in serv for 3 days) took a walk into AQ area with my friend SPS to check it out (IM PALA), and i got raid cursed+ported to gludio like wtf ... well my friend SPS died with those ants train saying: "AGRO THEM! AGRO THEEEEEM!!"
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
PS: AQ was off so wtf for being ported... didnt even use a skill  >:(

guard ants.
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Kamyl on May 12, 2010, 05:41:25 PM
tezza seems fixed droped few s armor parts and 1 weapon
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Russinha on May 12, 2010, 10:36:46 PM
fixed to afl ? ;x
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: CJ2000 on May 12, 2010, 11:30:20 PM
Indeed
Title: Re: Wai L2J ?
Post by: Lokocz on May 17, 2010, 03:08:46 PM
any news about bugs mentioned in this topic? especially RB bug?