Hello,
https://forumen.rpg-club.net/?p=banlist
There are so many players, who was banned yesterday, but today are unbanned...
Next thing - in Giran, I can see ppl sell 8x "high" rcps in one store for example... I had never seen him sell it before, up to this day, but there is a lot of similar cases... This things are very strange... maybe only for me... Can you explain many unbanned players in one day and "strange" shops in many places..?
If there is some explication in other topic, sorry, but I can see only tons of stupid spam everywhere...
Thank you.
write nicks this traders, checks will be faster
Quote from: BoBczech on March 25, 2010, 02:13:10 AM
Hello,
https://forumen.rpg-club.net/?p=banlist
There are so many players, who was banned yesterday, but today are unbanned...
Next thing - in Giran, I can see ppl sell 8x "high" rcps in one store for example... I had never seen him sell it before, up to this day, but there is a lot of similar cases... This things are very strange... maybe only for me... Can you explain many unbanned players in one day and "strange" shops in many places..?
If there is some explication in other topic, sorry, but I can see only tons of stupid spam everywhere...
Thank you.
some people were banned 24hrs for spaming in trade bot trying to login when server was down.
I swear the economy is totally Fooked up, its exploited to hell and clans are leaving, and players are leaving. I sincerely suggest a wipe. Whats the point of swimming in crap. We're only 3 weeks into the server, if you wipe now it won't discourage people, its the only legit ct2.3+ server. But if you go on with it, you let time pass....no one will come back even with the file advantage. You will never get rid of a stench of exploited server.
Start over again, don't allow dual clients, don't allow bandwidth hogging bots, and put the wiped server up once you get the new hardware and fixes.
Quote from: lawlbot on March 25, 2010, 11:19:55 AM
I swear the economy is totally Fooked up, its exploited to hell and clans are leaving, and players are leaving. I sincerely suggest a wipe. Whats the point of swimming in crap. We're only 3 weeks into the server, if you wipe now it won't discourage people, its the only legit ct2.3+ server. But if you go on with it, you let time pass....no one will come back even with the file advantage. You will never get rid of a stench of exploited server.
Start over again, don't allow dual clients, don't allow bandwidth hogging bots, and put the wiped server up once you get the new hardware and fixes.
It probably will...
I'd assume they'd be much better off playing in a high rate. One of the dynamics that make people play in low rate server is the economy. If that is shattered by exploits, I really see no benefit of playing in low rate server really.
It's far from "exploited to hell" and the duped items will be removed this coming days. The only reason prices are high is because of the spoil rates. And they'll be changed.
Problem is that the antibot and hw came too late. People are already set up with exploited items and botted chars. I don't know anyone specific, it is just an assumption. Even if all exploited items were found people wouldn't believe it.
Also, who was responsible for that issue? A clan, or group of randoms? All I can see in banlist are unbanned players.
just hold a vote.
option 1
start fresh with a wipe, no more bots, dual box, and third party etc. and put down server until fixes are made
option 2
no its fine, continue with what we have now.
option 3
I don't care
admins will ultimately decide but just give them a perspective. It might cut them the hassle of banning players and other issues.
this is just another cry topic by player who is wondering how that people are so good and he s so lame wipe server nao!
Quote from: MichaelV on March 25, 2010, 11:42:49 AM
It's far from "exploited to hell" and the duped items will be removed this coming days. The only reason prices are high is because of the spoil rates. And they'll be changed.
And whut you will do if player bought a dupped item for adena, how could he knew that it was dupped? He will loose his bought rcp and adena that he payed?
Plus, can't imagine how you can track all then buged items, coz not only rcp's was bugged, but money too, doing Q that gives money (like HS q) a lot of adena was dupped.. And a lot of ppl did that.. Doubt you will be able to track it all..
I also doubt everything can be tracked but if at least half of it is purged and idiots banned then it is ok.
And stop asking about wipe, it's 100% out of the question.
If admin will be kind enough to tell me who was responsible for this i will tell you too.
Quote from: lawlbot on March 25, 2010, 11:19:55 AM
I swear the economy is totally Fooked up, its exploited to hell and clans are leaving, and players are leaving. I sincerely suggest a wipe. Whats the point of swimming in crap. We're only 3 weeks into the server, if you wipe now it won't discourage people, its the only legit ct2.3+ server. But if you go on with it, you let time pass....no one will come back even with the file advantage. You will never get rid of a stench of exploited server.
Start over again, don't allow dual clients, don't allow bandwidth hogging bots, and put the wiped server up once you get the new hardware and fixes.
make your own server, if you don't like this one so much : ]
Yea, some ppl have great stuff, alot moneyz, and other sh1t, but... even if you get your wish come true, after wipe you would still be nothing compared to players I mentioned above. They will still have great stuff faster than you, they will still have tons of adenas more than you and they will definitely get more high lvled chars than you.
So quit crying already, there will be no wipe, deal with it, or just leave.
p.s. I am a low lvl (65+) without great stuff, and I still don't give a fak about players who are much better than me : ] And I am glad there will be no wipe.
Frozen! Its you!
Quote from: emissary on March 25, 2010, 03:20:58 PM
Quote from: lawlbot on March 25, 2010, 11:19:55 AM
I swear the economy is totally Fooked up, its exploited to hell and clans are leaving, and players are leaving. I sincerely suggest a wipe. Whats the point of swimming in crap. We're only 3 weeks into the server, if you wipe now it won't discourage people, its the only legit ct2.3+ server. But if you go on with it, you let time pass....no one will come back even with the file advantage. You will never get rid of a stench of exploited server.
Start over again, don't allow dual clients, don't allow bandwidth hogging bots, and put the wiped server up once you get the new hardware and fixes.
make your own server, if you don't like this one so much : ]
Yea, some ppl have great stuff, alot moneyz, and other sh1t, but... even if you get your wish come true, after wipe you would still be nothing compared to players I mentioned above. They will still have great stuff faster than you, they will still have tons of adenas more than you and they will definitely get more high lvled chars than you.
So quit crying already, there will be no wipe, deal with it, or just leave.
p.s. I am a low lvl (65+) without great stuff, and I still don't give a fak about players who are much better than me : ] And I am glad there will be no wipe.
This not about an issue of people having better shit than me, a collabrating clan is always going to have better shit regardless but its about the economy as a whole. Its injection of adena into the system without having to work for it, making a game not a 5x server and ruining its economy. The supply of adena exceeds supply of mats making shit over priced and not match the way you lvl.
Well, Ive never seen a server with a proper economy. There will always be some guys who will find the way to cheat and ruin other ppl way of playing.
I agree that spoil rates is an issue, cuz it was supposed to be an x5 server, but even though that part sux, this server in overall is quite good
Oh come on, how much adena could have been pumped into economy from doin quests in 5 days? A few kkk (i think it's somewhere between 1 and 2kkk)? Wow, soooooo much for a server with over 4k online daily. The only reason prices are so high is because of the stupid 1x spoil. Hope they'll change it as soon as possible.
Quote from: CommunismFTW on March 25, 2010, 04:09:57 PM
Oh come on, how much adena could have been pumped into economy from doin quests in 5 days? A few kkk (i think it's somewhere between 1 and 2kkk)? Wow, soooooo much for a server with over 4k online daily. The only reason prices are so high is because of the stupid 1x spoil. Hope they'll change it as soon as possible.
ye not doing sub q for my second char because waiting for 5x :)
OK thanks for comments MIchaelV, but there is one more unanswered question - how about unbanned players? All of them weren´t guilty, or is true, that player can donate unban for boting, exploiting etc. for 50 (someone says 100,200...) dollars? No offense, i just inquire, because so many players say that... And I just take interest about facts. Because if there is some way, how exploiters can buy "indulgence", i think it´s very, very poor and bans are for nothing...
its 3k coins for unban
Quote from: CommunismFTW on March 25, 2010, 04:09:57 PM
Oh come on, how much adena could have been pumped into economy from doin quests in 5 days? A few kkk (i think it's somewhere between 1 and 2kkk)? Wow, soooooo much for a server with over 4k online daily. The only reason prices are so high is because of the stupid 1x spoil. Hope they'll change it as soon as possible.
i seen 3 seperate people show adena for 1.5kkk on their ONE character. I think its more.
Quote from: lawlbot on March 25, 2010, 11:19:55 AM
I swear the economy is totally Fooked up, its exploited to hell and clans are leaving, and players are leaving. I sincerely suggest a wipe. Whats the point of swimming in crap. We're only 3 weeks into the server, if you wipe now it won't discourage people, its the only legit ct2.3+ server. But if you go on with it, you let time pass....no one will come back even with the file advantage. You will never get rid of a stench of exploited server.
Start over again, don't allow dual clients, don't allow bandwidth hogging bots, and put the wiped server up once you get the new hardware and fixes.
+1
Quote from: Rbx on March 25, 2010, 05:34:06 PM
Quote from: lawlbot on March 25, 2010, 11:19:55 AM
I swear the economy is totally Fooked up, its exploited to hell and clans are leaving, and players are leaving. I sincerely suggest a wipe. Whats the point of swimming in crap. We're only 3 weeks into the server, if you wipe now it won't discourage people, its the only legit ct2.3+ server. But if you go on with it, you let time pass....no one will come back even with the file advantage. You will never get rid of a stench of exploited server.
Start over again, don't allow dual clients, don't allow bandwidth hogging bots, and put the wiped server up once you get the new hardware and fixes.
+1
oh my god
Yes, u can donate for unban if ur banned for boting. About exploiting, i didn't asked, but it should be pretty clear that it isn't available. It probably depends on situation and severity.
Volume, i'm expecting screens with those 3 guys having over 1.5kkk each and don't tell u didn't print screened this because this is NOT something u don't screen. Anyway, if they obtained it through duping, they will be punished. As i said, admin DIDN'T checked the logs yet.
Edit: I guess it would be possible for a single person to make 1.5kkk in those 5 days with the 3rd class change quest, on 5x rates reward is 25kk. Lets assume he got 5x reward for quest every time, that's 125kk for 1 quest/char. He would need to have had over 10 chars ready for 3rd class change during those 5 days. It looks very unlikely to me but possible nonetheless.
I was with him and I didn't take a screenshot either so don't just make assumptions. Fortunately though I remembered the guys name, fragma and he's a dagger. Go ahead and check it out. I know that was only one of them but after the first it was nothing special, just another exploiter, cool. You won't catch all of them and you'd be a fucking fool to try and downplay the kinds of exploits that happened. The server is pretty much ruined. Not choosing to rollback was flat out the worst l2 administrative decision I have ever seen. You guys run on personal preference / pure stubbornness when you make choices and never common sense.
I'm not downplaying anything, i've seen a doctored imaged on forum yesterday, that's why i'm asking. Thnx for the nick, i'll be sure to pass it on.
And about rollback, u should have more faith in admin, he would have did that if he thought it's necessary. If he says he can take care of it like this, why don't u trust him? Give him a chance first.
Quote from: MichaelV on March 25, 2010, 06:25:57 PM
Yes, u can donate for unban if ur banned for boting. About exploiting, i didn't asked, but it should be pretty clear that it isn't available. It probably depends on situation and severity.
Volume, i'm expecting screens with those 3 guys having over 1.5kkk each and don't tell u didn't print screened this because this is NOT something u don't screen. Anyway, if they obtained it through duping, they will be punished. As i said, admin DIDN'T checked the logs yet.
Edit: I guess it would be possible for a single person to make 1.5kkk in those 5 days with the 3rd class change quest, on 5x rates reward is 25kk. Lets assume he got 5x reward for quest every time, that's 125kk for 1 quest/char. He would need to have had over 10 chars ready for 3rd class change during those 5 days. It looks very unlikely to me but possible nonetheless.
Ofc it is possible. who told u ppl got rewards 5 times only ? guess how many times i can click "Quest" for a 60+ second lag spike.
This went on for a very long time on a server that has 4k players daily (cos the counter is +1k). Even if only 1k people exploited at all and 100 of them were serious, that is an unrealistic amount of information to check for even 1 exploit. Finding out who did it initially would be near impossible, then you'd need to find out the current whereabouts of all the items because anyone with half a brain would take steps to prevent it being found such as spending adena INSTANTLY on the market and exchanging it for goods or trading it across multiple accounts on different days to make it hard to track. I'm sorry but I find it hard for someone to tell me "it's cool, I'll just check through about 168 hours of information for 4k people and find everything before they manage to hide / protect it". It CANNOT be done. Even if it could be done, how the fuck is that anywhere near as good of an option as "we'll roll back to 5 days earlier and fix everything instantly". 5 days loss for total protection of any exploits whereas now it's over 5 days since it even happened and next to no one has been caught. It was an AWFUL choice.
Agree with u, me personally would've choosen to rollback 2-3 days but it's not up to me. And i also think he won't catch everyone, it's common sense. Admin probably thought that cleaning this as best as he can is better then 5 days rollback.
pls 3 days rollback, i hadn't played 2 days and today we failed 2 dc robes
Why ask me to have faith then if you agree with me and know he can't do what he says? I'm a legit player and I have been on every single l2 server I've ever been on, and it's something I'm very proud of because not many people can say that when they've played l2 as long me but now I'm in a position where I personally would prefer a wipe / much longer rollback to completely clean everything because being legit gets you fucking nowhere appearently, and rely on the antibot to prevent it from ever happening in the future (I'm under the impression it stops item lag, or so someone told me anyway). I know it doesn't mean much because I'm just one guy (one hated guy thanks to circumstance) but I was waiting for this server so anxiously from before christmas even and pictured it lasting a long long time because of the potential and now I'm gonna quit not even 1 full month in because the admin team is legendarily incompetant. Like I said, one guy saying he's gonna quit never means much to anyone, but I'd bet my life there's plenty other players who feel the same way as me.
First of all, if you're expecting perfection, you're never gonna be happy. Such thing, when humans are involved, does NOT exist.
I told you to have some faith cause he knows what he's doing. But things move slow cause he's just 1 guy and he likes to do things alone. At least, that's what i understood. You'll have to make peace with the fact that there's no such thing as a perfect private server.
If you leave thinking that you're gonna find a perfect server somewhere, ur wrong. You have to weigh in the good but also the bad and choose what's best for you. Then you'll have too support the bads of the server u choosed. And this server has bads just like any other out there, and if u think what happened and the way it's being fixed is so much better worser (sry >.<) then some other place, then go there. You'll be more happy probably.
I don't expect perfection, like I said, I expect common sense. You have the files, that is what's wrong with 99% of l2 private servers, it's so hard to believe that when you have everything you need to run the best l2 private server that ever existed you lack the intelligence to maintain it.
nothing against you michealIV but you are asking people to thrust stuff that can change their punishment for breaking their rules by power of money. and somehow this staff is making some nice "fixes" against major clans on servers (hero zerk,Sod 30x, valakas 5x )
just write it simple as it is "you can play here if you want ,and if you dont go away we are making the rules and decide about changing things and punishing people that abuse bugs like we want and dont care what comunity thinks "
That's what u think? That they don't care what u think?
Did u maybe thought that they care but they don't share the same opinion? And being their server, they choose what it's best for it?
What do u mean by maintaining it Hildr, the dupe problem caused by item lags? How do u expect a private server admin to know about this before it happens? It happened even on retail and it was fixed there, and it was fixed here. Sh1t happens in this world every second, deal with it. We're all humans, don't expect us to behave like robots, we are bound to make mistakes and we try to fix them as good as possible.
Quote from: Hildr on March 25, 2010, 08:33:35 PM
Why ask me to have faith then if you agree with me and know he can't do what he says? I'm a legit player and I have been on every single l2 server I've ever been on, and it's something I'm very proud of because not many people can say that when they've played l2 as long me but now I'm in a position where I personally would prefer a wipe / much longer rollback to completely clean everything because being legit gets you fucking nowhere appearently, and rely on the antibot to prevent it from ever happening in the future (I'm under the impression it stops item lag, or so someone told me anyway). I know it doesn't mean much because I'm just one guy (one hated guy thanks to circumstance) but I was waiting for this server so anxiously from before christmas even and pictured it lasting a long long time because of the potential and now I'm gonna quit not even 1 full month in because the admin team is legendarily incompetant. Like I said, one guy saying he's gonna quit never means much to anyone, but I'd bet my life there's plenty other players who feel the same way as me.
to do a rollback, fist you have to backup files.
Rollback is like loading a savegame, if he didint save earlier he cant do it now!
If they care but don't share the same opinion when it's pretty much been proven that their justification is impossible that is exactly what I said, isn't it? Lacking intelligence.
I don't think it could have been expected or predicted, the only room for admin intervention was cleaning up the mess, and for that they chose the worst possible route. Again, intelligence.
Quote from: MichaelV on March 25, 2010, 08:57:59 PMIt happened even on retail and it was fixed there
Did NCSoft make an announcement about any of this?
Quote from: Invic7ae on March 25, 2010, 08:58:22 PM
to do a rollback, fist you have to backup files.
Rollback is like loading a savegame, if he didint save earlier he cant do it now!
There's been rollbacks on the 30x, I see no reason to believe at some point in time since server opening that it has not been backed up. Yes a lot of people would be pissed if it was rolled to first week or something, but that's not so much time in comparison to how long the exploiters will be benefitting from their work if left unchecked.
Quote from: Hildr on March 25, 2010, 09:01:12 PM
If they care but don't share the same opinion when it's pretty much been proven that their justification is impossible that is exactly what I said, isn't it? Lacking intelligence.
I don't think it could have been expected or predicted, the only room for admin intervention was cleaning up the mess, and for that they chose the worst possible route. Again, intelligence.
Excuse me for asking you this, what experience do you have with databases? And more precise, with l2 db's?
You're lacking attention, while i did said he can't catch everyone, he can catch enough that it makes it a better option then rollback. Understand?
Quote from: MichaelV on March 25, 2010, 09:05:19 PM
Excuse me for asking you this, what experience do you have with databases? And more precise, with l2 db's?
You're lacking attention, while i did said he can't catch everyone, he can catch enough that it makes it a better option then rollback. Understand?
You realise that's a very foolish statement considering rollback DOES catch everyone.
And in the same time it deletes ~5k peoples play time for 5 days, it would make a lot of people mad.
What takes more time?
Every player to catch up 5 days of work
Every legit player to catch up to every exploiters 5 days of work
Takes more than 5 days to make the kind of adena that even just 1 guy was rolling around in. It would make a lot of people mad yes but don't dare use that as an excuse considering the majority of the population was practically begging for a rollback. If anything more people are pissed that they were completely ignored.
so much drama.
sure situation sux ballz.
but admin already said what's his decision.
i see no point to argue.
Nope, there were ppl asking for rollback and there were ppl that didn't. Admin has chosen this option, so live with it. If u can't, there's only one option for you, don't think i need to tell u what it is. Sry to see u go (if u leave) but that's ur decision and i respect it.
p.s. every legit player won't have to catch up to every exploiters 5 days of work cause, as i said, many of them will get their duped items/adena/skills deleted.
Sure they will. ;)
I guess discussion ends here. Take care whatever u choose to do.
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