First i will say it to players: Well people since there is some weird changes and the topic about donations and price of cakes is already lost i would like to present you possible problem.
Write down a list of changes that might happen from Administration in future, that it would effect server so bad and make people leave it cose of inbalance or some other reason.
Once again i am presenting this problem cose administration didn't realize that this way they lost not gained trust of people on server. What can we expect in near future? I my self donated 20 euros and while i got donation it no longer worth as much as i payed for. I and many others have big doubts in future changes and honestly afraid of it, to make it simple as much as it can be PEOPLE HATE CHANGES specially sudden ones.
Suggestion: If you set up some rates, prices, and you talk from start what rates/prices gonna be what you do is make sure they are the way they were announced at start.
About economic crises o.O. you had this "crises" 10 days ago also and 1 month ago and more, so kinda DOUBLING the price of something from what you have earned allot of money is not the way of dealing things. I and other people would understand if you just removed option that people cannot buy coins for adena, but DOUBLING the donation for Cakes?
You must have some big problems when you made price higher for 100%! It must be some bad ass $$$ issue, should we as a community of clans be worried about it?
ps.Don't get me wrong i am just stating opinion of over 70 people just from my clan, i wont talk about other people what they think but this 70 people from my clan started to ask me and others how trust worthy is to continue, what if they make some bigger changes (no matter do they get announced or not).
So much from me for now, hope people wont flame and they will state their opinion about this, if gm consider this as flame to bad it was just opinion of some group of people.
Could be anything really, similarly to allowed SoD to be open for so long on the 30x and then suddenly closing it. Anything currently available to people for a short period of time, whether it be lowering rates or completely removing the option to do something, anything could cause a similar problem:
Varka is currently 5x/3x (?): Change this to 1x = Problem
Paliaka/Kamaloka gives 5x exp: Change to 1x = Problem
Runes currently available at 30% and 50% increase: Removed = Problem
I could go on..
Well that is the idea to make it clear for Administration, well right now there is a vote for rates o.O and we got like x5 on all quest wining, but you think they gonna listen to players or they gonna "ditch" them again?
That sig makes no sense.
Quote from: SplichO on March 08, 2010, 01:26:52 PM
Well that is the idea to make it clear for Administration, well right now there is a vote for rates o.O and we got like x5 on all quest wining, but you think they gonna listen to players or they gonna "ditch" them again?
Same as x30 tbh. Maybe some people will ditch and not play anymore, maybe quite a large amount. 5x is already much more popular so this may not happen as seriously and kill the 30x, but in the end there are no other official file servers around and as much as they dick us around, 3 types of people will stay:
1: People who benefitted from change (aka people who used a shit ton of cakes before the price change)
2: People who don't give a shit and will just grind anyway
3: People who play L2 casually and don't really compete
Quote from: NK^ on March 08, 2010, 01:27:15 PM
That sig makes no sense.
It does, but since Volume and me posting atm it doesn't look to good so i removed it since Volume is original author of it :)
Back to the topic please.
Quote from: Volume on March 08, 2010, 01:29:55 PM
Quote from: SplichO on March 08, 2010, 01:26:52 PM
Well that is the idea to make it clear for Administration, well right now there is a vote for rates o.O and we got like x5 on all quest wining, but you think they gonna listen to players or they gonna "ditch" them again?
Same as x30 tbh. Maybe some people will ditch and not play anymore, maybe quite a large amount. 5x is already much more popular so this may not happen as seriously and kill the 30x, but in the end there are no other official file servers around and as much as they dick us around, 3 types of people will stay:
1: People who benefitted from change (aka people who used a shit ton of cakes before the price change)
2: People who don't give a shit and will just grind anyway
3: People who play L2 casually and don't really compete
Problem is that they got now the chance to be the best server ever, better then any other including retail servers. But if they continue to screw with rates and changes the reputation will be totally lost and only thing that gonna remain is files and nothing else.
I think you guys should think more about those donations as DONATIONS, meaning a way to help the server you play on to survive. The only thing i disliked about this donation change was the fact that it was done without an announcement. If it won't happen from now on, for me is all ok.
this topic is about who can be more stupid
Quote from: CommunismFTW on March 08, 2010, 01:33:24 PM
I think you guys should think more about those donations as DONATIONS, meaning a way to help the server you play on to survive. The only thing i disliked about this donation change was the fact that it was done without an announcement. If it won't happen from now on, for me is all ok.
Well you have a point about "helping the server", but what about balance for those people who had privilege to have double amount of cakes for the price we paying? And the money REAL money lost in transaction cose donation's receiving was later for many people so they lost $$$?
Quote from: Pel8 on March 08, 2010, 01:35:25 PM
this topic is about who can be more stupid
Hi hater.
And I thought people donate to get advantage in the game, calling it helping server makes you feel better?:E Yeah they named it communism once where people did everything for 'charity'
From my point of view:
Cakes ONLY for Vote Coins or NO Cakes. Many people are starting to you use them in the same way as healing potions...its necessary to have some if you go mobing, not privilege.
NO radical CHANGES during server existence with final setup. The rules for all players should stay the same forever. I can accept some changes NOW but not "tomorrow".
Every GM is potential server ruiner. Be very carefull with choosing them. Dont look for a new GM until you really have to.
2 box ONLY...the server has really enough people.
...maybe some of these points are a bit OT so sorry for that
i see alot of drama here,but what about the russian forums? alot of drama there too for double cake prices? considering that (this is just my personal statistic) let's say 40-50% of players are RU,that's alot of cakes bro
On RU forum it was 80% votes to put back cakes old way and guess what?Didn't happen, so is it same with all votes topics or they are just created to trick players that their voice gonna be heard or respected?
Ok, then the sig only makes sense to people who understand Engrish I guess.
Quote from: NK^ on March 08, 2010, 04:05:57 PM
Ok, then the sig only makes sense to people who understand Engrish I guess.
No you are just to stupid to understand it, ask Volume maybe he can explain you.
Quote from: SplichO on March 08, 2010, 04:03:15 PM
On RU forum it was 80% votes to put back cakes old way and guess what?Didn't happen, so is it same with all votes topics or they are just created to trick players that their voice gonna be heard or respected?
the admin trusts his wallet, not you.
In my opinion donations are DONATIONS, what do I mean ? That is not a server feature, then at least they should change the name of it to a payed service; as official ru servers do.
What have they done wrong ? Change the price without announce it and/or in the middle of donations being processed, like mine.
QQ MOAR ABOUT CAEKS
Quote from: Sirius92 on March 08, 2010, 05:17:33 PM
In my opinion donations are DONATIONS, what do I mean ? That is not a server feature, then at least they should change the name of it to a payed service; as official ru servers do.
in that case they will be responsible for "payed service". and with "donation" noone cares. if you don't like something - you're free to gtfo, no matter how much money you've spent. :P though obviously it's not the right way to treat people who donate.
i'm not even talking about probable legal issues with offering payed services with illegal server software.
so "donations" is a nice dodge from any responsibilities here. law, ncsoft developers, even your own server players.
Just how they tryed to make cakes more expensive to make more money, They can possibly in a few months put in shop S80/S84 gear for even more money.
I can see it happening allready. and the day it does is the day this server dies.
server can die rly easy coz nabs gms who dont care
Quote from: CommunismFTW on March 08, 2010, 01:33:24 PM
I think you guys should think more about those donations as DONATIONS, meaning a way to help the server you play on to survive. The only thing i disliked about this donation change was the fact that it was done without an announcement. If it won't happen from now on, for me is all ok.
one thing when donations are on to survive the second one is (the one i believe has happened now) is to just make more money when already having enough for server to live for a long time
tottaly agrre with u now mindiuse
dont let me repeat myself about the care-o-meter of some "ppl", not talking about players :)
Actually it's even more than doubled.
99*2 = 200 yay !
scam 2 coin every donate does a lot in the end!
Quote from: ..MinDiuSe.. on March 08, 2010, 06:02:23 PM
Quote from: CommunismFTW on March 08, 2010, 01:33:24 PM
I think you guys should think more about those donations as DONATIONS, meaning a way to help the server you play on to survive. The only thing i disliked about this donation change was the fact that it was done without an announcement. If it won't happen from now on, for me is all ok.
one thing when donations are on to survive the second one is (the one i believe has happened now) is to just make more money when already having enough for server to live for a long time
do u think they made x5 donations just to keep it up???....all servers are made to get some $$ too, not just to keep u happeh playing
Quote from: Sexico on March 08, 2010, 05:48:11 PM
Just how they tryed to make cakes more expensive to make more money, They can possibly in a few months put in shop S80/S84 gear for even more money.
I can see it happening allready. and the day it does is the day this server dies.
Do not dramatize, that won't happen. If it didn't happen on 30x after so much time, a server with higher rates and a lot less population, you can be sure it won't happen here either.
Donations are still ridiculously cheap
MV: Get used to them as they are now (btw, not everyone lives in countries like USA or western europe)
the worse thing that happened to the server is you splicho.
back to topic, stop that fucking drama, no1 will ever read this crap, not to mention changing decisions. you are playing here for 1 week??
i must agree, quality guarantee...
Quote from: kinus on March 09, 2010, 10:28:15 AM
the worse thing that happened to the server is you splicho.
back to topic, stop that fucking drama, no1 will ever read this crap, not to mention changing decisions. you are playing here for 1 week??
i must agree, quality guarantee...
Hi hater, join the club! Tard.
this is another topic where splich0 wants mana potions or hes just crying again ?
Quote from: greennight on March 09, 2010, 05:59:46 PM
this is another topic where splich0 wants mana potions or hes just crying again ?
/mode cry ON
welcome to rpg-club, quality guarantee
blyat
pretty much all what they did last days :D