Overlord or Duelist in PVP 1vs1 or Mass - GF and H5.
I look for some info about those two classes in PVP - which one is more verstile and better ??
I will ofc have to learn to pvp with them ( and plox don`t say this char better cause it is easier ) but i want to choose wisely and good char which will brin me fun and some wins :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ciBy4iFtEE
I saw that movie i also so Duelist movie as well.
Main thing is which char would be more for me and i think as OL i will get pt more often than on duelist - but also will solo from time to time and this is why i ask which char is good on small scale pvp.
I know that OL on Soul Guard and IC set will have almost the same PDEF as Glad - i know he has some offensive skills also and nice debuffs and i like to make ppl with many debuffs - but will i win 1 vs 1 on OL like would win playing Duelist ?
wtf is 1 vs 1 ? Oly or what ? Ol - can be killed only by destro/EE i think ( H5).
And u should take some mage for sure, ppl that playin ols and gladis dont ask such questions
Quote from: Dawert on August 22, 2011, 02:22:14 PM
wtf is 1 vs 1 ? Oly or what ? Ol - can be killed only by destro/EE i think ( H5).
And u should take some mage for sure, ppl that playin ols and gladis dont ask such questions
I played duelist for short time and OL in IL chronicle.
Now i ask cause i wanna try to play new class. 1 vs 1 is when you solo PVE, and sometimes you defend your spot - or small scale gank.
I think i will try OL - cause debuffs is what i like and i was also considering necro but i don`t like this class and i prefer OL.
Quote from: Maro79 on August 22, 2011, 02:42:31 PM
Quote from: Dawert on August 22, 2011, 02:22:14 PM
wtf is 1 vs 1 ? Oly or what ? Ol - can be killed only by destro/EE i think ( H5).
And u should take some mage for sure, ppl that playin ols and gladis dont ask such questions
I played duelist for short time and OL in IL chronicle.
Now i ask cause i wanna try to play new class. 1 vs 1 is when you solo PVE, and sometimes you defend your spot - or small scale gank.
I think i will try OL - cause debuffs is what i like and i was also considering necro but i don`t like this class and i prefer OL.
this is not c4 anymore lol
Quote from: SK on August 22, 2011, 03:38:55 PM
Quote from: Maro79 on August 22, 2011, 02:42:31 PM
Quote from: Dawert on August 22, 2011, 02:22:14 PM
wtf is 1 vs 1 ? Oly or what ? Ol - can be killed only by destro/EE i think ( H5).
And u should take some mage for sure, ppl that playin ols and gladis dont ask such questions
I played duelist for short time and OL in IL chronicle.
Now i ask cause i wanna try to play new class. 1 vs 1 is when you solo PVE, and sometimes you defend your spot - or small scale gank.
I think i will try OL - cause debuffs is what i like and i was also considering necro but i don`t like this class and i prefer OL.
this is not c4 anymore lol
?????????????????????
What your stupid sentence has to do with my question about classes ??
I`m not no-lifer so i don`t play in CP. i play with randoms PTs or solo - and i play for fun so explain me your thought....
Quote from: Maro79 on August 22, 2011, 03:45:27 PM
Quote from: SK on August 22, 2011, 03:38:55 PM
Quote from: Maro79 on August 22, 2011, 02:42:31 PM
Quote from: Dawert on August 22, 2011, 02:22:14 PM
wtf is 1 vs 1 ? Oly or what ? Ol - can be killed only by destro/EE i think ( H5).
And u should take some mage for sure, ppl that playin ols and gladis dont ask such questions
I played duelist for short time and OL in IL chronicle.
Now i ask cause i wanna try to play new class. 1 vs 1 is when you solo PVE, and sometimes you defend your spot - or small scale gank.
I think i will try OL - cause debuffs is what i like and i was also considering necro but i don`t like this class and i prefer OL.
this is not c4 anymore lol
I`m not no-lifer so i don`t play in CP. i play with randoms PTs or solo - and i play for fun so explain me your thought....
sad but some ppl still dont understand that there are thousands of player who play the way you do because they're limited by real life.
dont take ol if it 'll be solo exp
I will have clan and they aren`t CP only - so i think i won`t have problems with getting PT but still i wonder Duelist or OL.
duelist better for solo players
if u didn't like gk i don't see how you would like glad , which is like a more slower and retarded version.
go ol , but ol is hard you probably lack the skills.
and party to play with, clam wont hlp him with that
over will op big p.def, good m.def will s84 set whit stun/para def will be strong in oly/1vs1 and serius in mass pvp too
none.
Both of these chars require some serious party work,and dedication to be actually any good in this game.
With OL unless you have CP,you wont farm anywhere(except fog) solo,and with glad you will farm most of the time solo,+you will have real hard time to find CP.
I don`t look for CP. i Have Real Life and not so much time to play on L2.
So i lok for class to have fun on PVP and also on PVE :). And i was thinking about those two classes.
how about necro?
Well i was thinking about necro but many spots has dark resist and is easy to get high dark resist :(
must be kidding me
Quote from: zosiek on August 22, 2011, 10:49:00 PM
must be kidding me
Why is that ???
It`s not f@cking flame topic - it`s normal topic and i look for serious answer not some random posts from random viewers....
another casual real life gamer pretending to be cool
Quote from: Riselie on August 22, 2011, 11:17:28 PM
another casual real life gamer pretending to be cool
Fail.
I`m not pretending !!! FFs.
I asked a question but i see trolls have to come even here.
Wtf ppl can`t answer like rest here - normally without offending ??
I made a q about two chars which one is better for small scale pvp i`m not no-lifer who play in "factro:=no life Clan.
I play for fun when i have time....
and u crossed out best one u thought off just bcos mob resists, gz
Quote from: zosiek on August 22, 2011, 11:52:41 PM
and u crossed out best one u thought off just bcos mob resists, gz
NO but in PVP dark resist is easier to get than rest of resist - dance+30 dark / unholy resist +20 or +30 don`t remember / + dark armor from kamael +20/ cloak on dynasty+30 / S or s80 set +60 dark ( 1 part only ) = makes 160 resist ( i think also song from SWS but i don`t remeber name and poits to attribute ) . ON Ol i don`t need for SAP any attibute so you won`t reists it ( only with mdef ) and glad can get any attribute like earth ( not so many resist )
Quote from: Maro79 on August 22, 2011, 11:58:15 PM
Quote from: zosiek on August 22, 2011, 11:52:41 PM
and u crossed out best one u thought off just bcos mob resists, gz
NO but in PVP dark resist is easier to get than rest of resist - dance+30 dark / unholy resist +20 or +30 don`t remember / + dark armor from kamael +20/ cloak on dynasty+30 / S or s80 set +60 dark ( 1 part only ) = makes 160 resist ( i think also song from SWS but i don`t remeber name and poits to attribute ) . ON Ol i don`t need for SAP any attibute so you won`t reists it ( only with mdef ) and glad can get any attribute like earth ( not so many resist )
and noone dance/songe/buff that sh1t on pvp
Quote from: Maro79 on August 22, 2011, 09:58:57 PM
I don`t look for CP. i Have Real Life and not so much time to play on L2.
So i lok for class to have fun on PVP and also on PVE :). And i was thinking about those two classes.
None of these classes have potential to become any good in pvp or pve,w/o party play or plenty of play time.
Unless you consider 4/5 boxing and pveing chims with your glad as a fun thing.
P.S go for tyrant its really fun char in both pvp and pve,i dont even understand why so many ppl sell them.
Quote from: Maro79 on August 22, 2011, 11:58:15 PM
Quote from: zosiek on August 22, 2011, 11:52:41 PM
and u crossed out best one u thought off just bcos mob resists, gz
NO but in PVP dark resist is easier to get than rest of resist - dance+30 dark / unholy resist +20 or +30 don`t remember / + dark armor from kamael +20/ cloak on dynasty+30 / S or s80 set +60 dark ( 1 part only ) = makes 160 resist ( i think also song from SWS but i don`t remeber name and poits to attribute ) . ON Ol i don`t need for SAP any attibute so you won`t reists it ( only with mdef ) and glad can get any attribute like earth ( not so many resist )
You do realize that when H5 will come atributes wont mean anything right ?
Besides even now most of the casuals dont use any of the buffs you just mentioned.
I do believe that every single class can be solo-ed up to 82. In some cases might take bit longer 'cuz they require wolf which consumes tons of xp. The problem begins at 82 when mobs in IT/MoS/SV/pagan become blue - only few classes can exp on HB (like destro, tyrant and prolly some else) and IoP sucks a bit for melee.
Anyway, with 82 you can forget about any kind of pvp/oly. Sad but true.
I'd go dagger. if I were you. Not bad in pve and doesnt really rely on epics/skills ++ etc. Ofc. they do. Ofc. TH 5/5 will be better than TH 0/5, but still I think other class depends more on end game stuff (but ofc. I might be wrong :P)
tyrant rox i only sell mine cause i need money :))
Quote from: Maro79 on August 22, 2011, 11:58:15 PM
Quote from: zosiek on August 22, 2011, 11:52:41 PM
and u crossed out best one u thought off just bcos mob resists, gz
NO but in PVP dark resist is easier to get than rest of resist - dance+30 dark / unholy resist +20 or +30 don`t remember / + dark armor from kamael +20/ cloak on dynasty+30 / S or s80 set +60 dark ( 1 part only ) = makes 160 resist ( i think also song from SWS but i don`t remeber name and poits to attribute ) . ON Ol i don`t need for SAP any attibute so you won`t reists it ( only with mdef ) and glad can get any attribute like earth ( not so many resist )
flash news, noone buffs these...
Go make OL. To create atleast average DD from gladi for pvp u need stack it very much. Skllls oe etc what should be very hard for u if u have plan to play alone. Even if not, will be hard find pt/cp. OL is nice char, very strong for oly, very good support for pt thanks to debuffs. Make VOP +15 some debuffs +13 atleast and u will be welcome in most pts. Farm slowly but surely and one day u can mby start farm oly :D There will be moments when u will be emo cuz omg no pt atm, omg he got Caster i have AM, just keep playin i know what i am talking about ;) Its not about char, its about your way to play.
Quote from: Dawert on August 22, 2011, 02:13:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ciBy4iFtEE
just a bad ol on ranger
Quote from: Maro79 on August 22, 2011, 03:45:27 PM
Quote from: SK on August 22, 2011, 03:38:55 PM
Quote from: Maro79 on August 22, 2011, 02:42:31 PM
Quote from: Dawert on August 22, 2011, 02:22:14 PM
wtf is 1 vs 1 ? Oly or what ? Ol - can be killed only by destro/EE i think ( H5).
And u should take some mage for sure, ppl that playin ols and gladis dont ask such questions
I played duelist for short time and OL in IL chronicle.
Now i ask cause i wanna try to play new class. 1 vs 1 is when you solo PVE, and sometimes you defend your spot - or small scale gank.
I think i will try OL - cause debuffs is what i like and i was also considering necro but i don`t like this class and i prefer OL.
this is not c4 anymore lol
?????????????????????
What your stupid sentence has to do with my question about classes ??
I`m not no-lifer so i don`t play in CP. i play with randoms PTs or solo - and i play for fun so explain me your thought....
in this strange times of l2, i had to solo (almost no parties) swm to 84.5 :D then found out that wow is much more suitable game for low activity players.
P.S. my old forum account just dissapeared :(
About char to choose - if you have good boxes for solo - you can play most of the classes. Glad will be easier to level up, and ol is better in oly.
I have seen OL's training half of varka/ketra spots easy... this is low way of exp? xD
I agree on what shattered said, its the way you play, not the class itself :)
But, on those classes there are some pro's and con's.
On Duelist, you'll have to put mucho work on skills, gear and get an S grade dual at least. Full S with IC/Draco with 60 resists and duals S +4 150 and you will be able to go just about anywhere and pve/pvp.
On Overlord, like you said you'll be based on debuffs, and such, which is a whole different style of playing than a DD.
On both classes it'll be hard to find a pt, at least for long time farm, but for solo, with or without wolf you can pull some trains just about anywhere if you have the right buffs.
The only downside is that if you level up a duelist(or any other melee class for that matter), you'll have to level up a DC/PP too to buff him and dual box them.
My advice is, if you played duelist before to go for Tyrant. it's skills are mostly similar to Duelist, practically only the names change, although I think tyrant doesn't get much CP as duelist, but to counter that, he can atack pretty fast.
What i've said applies to both GF and H5, although you'll be able to get newbie buffs until level 75 there which kinda helps a bit.
Only nolifers have cp , true story ?
Quote from: Seeker on August 23, 2011, 02:33:10 PM
Only nolifers have cp , true story ?
how would you call a person who HAS to play everyday 4h+ in the evening/night hours? (bb social life)
Quote from: Wadge on August 23, 2011, 02:24:49 PM
My advice is, if you played duelist before to go for Tyrant. it's skills are mostly similar to Duelist, practically only the names change, although I think tyrant doesn't get much CP as duelist, but to counter that, he can atack pretty fast.
tyrant skill are weaker than gladi
Quote from: ayozito on August 23, 2011, 01:13:02 PM
I have seen OL's training half of varka/ketra spots easy... this is low way of exp? xD
Before that you need to make that ol lvl 83 and learn onslaught :D
Quote from: ayozito on August 23, 2011, 03:06:50 PM
Quote from: Wadge on August 23, 2011, 02:24:49 PM
My advice is, if you played duelist before to go for Tyrant. it's skills are mostly similar to Duelist, practically only the names change, although I think tyrant doesn't get much CP as duelist, but to counter that, he can atack pretty fast.
tyrant skill are weaker than gladi
well, its bit more complex :)
Force blaster (tyrant) has 2131 power, sonic blaster (gladie) 1827
tyrant's AoE (both close combat and range) 533, while gladiator's 457
hurricane assault has exactly the same power as glad's dss (3196)
Till now 3:1 for tyrant.
Glad has TSS with quite 4146 power (added to p.atk). Quite strong but requires 4 charges (!)
tyrant has punch of doom with 9k power which may stun tyrant and has sh1tty reuse.
tyrant has ogre totem +30% p.atk; glad has duelist spirit (+10% dmg in pvp, may be enchanted to add give more) and war cry (+25% p.atk).
I'd say they're pretty the same in pvp, but in PvE tyrant is imo way better. Deflects are not as strong as fist fury + totems.
Quote from: yoker on August 23, 2011, 02:44:03 PM
Quote from: Seeker on August 23, 2011, 02:33:10 PM
Only nolifers have cp , true story ?
how would you call a person who HAS to play everyday 4h+ in the evening/night hours? (bb social life)
Who say that u must log every day and play 4h+ ?;x till now whic cp i had i cant say that i was nolife more then without it , when u return from work/school and in evening log to play till 12h its quet good for me , in weekends u can log or u cant so what the diferent ? :d if u like nolife u can no life whne have cp and without it
p.s: srr bad english
having a job doesnt mean u have a life imo