i think there was some posts about it but couldnt find it
100% to do dmg to ue type of buffs is bug it is working only since G+ not in gracia final
it is a bug, there should be chance to evade the dmg from debuff type dmg skills not mentioning the debuff itself just the dmg
dont know if admins still read this section but at least i tried :)
Any prooflink?
Quote from: ssj on February 07, 2010, 02:19:12 AM
i think there was some posts about it but couldnt find it
100% to do dmg to ue type of buffs is bug it is working only since G+ not in gracia final
it is a bug, there should be chance to evade the dmg from debuff type dmg skills not mentioning the debuff itself just the dmg
dont know if admins still read this section but at least i tried :)
dude i dont get it, can u explain it more claerly?
Quote from: ssj on February 07, 2010, 02:19:12 AM
there should be chance to evade the dmg from debuff type dmg skills not mentioning the debuff itself just the dmg
Explain this! ^^^^
UEs helps to evade PHYSICAL skills and debuffs: gloom, wind shacle, cod, surender's to wind/water/earth/fire, hex, power break, mage/warior bane, block ww and etc and etc, but it dont helps via debuffs after magic effect, to thoose which you gaining after vortex.
I think he is saying that UE should evade the skills that also have a debuff. For example bleed from dagger. It has damage + chance to land a debuff that does dps and slows. And i think he is saying that bleed right now has a 100% land chance (the damage) against UE type skills.
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 07, 2010, 11:42:56 AM
I think he is saying that UE should evade the skills that also have a debuff. For example bleed from dagger. It has damage + chance to land a debuff that does dps and slows. And i think he is saying that bleed right now has a 100% land chance (the damage) against UE type skills.
Bleed is physical, but it is DOT and its never was considered as ACTIVE skill, UE and 83dagger skills evades active skills like bacstab, sting, deadly blow, DSS,TSS and etc and etc. Bleed never was evaded in any chronicle. Same like sand bomb, trick, swich, its physical skill, but not active, and you cant evade it.
By the way bleed was changed like this in gracia part 1, so stop posting abouth things what u dont even know how its realy has to work.
Close topic its not a bug.
after reading all ur explanations and comparing it to the original, none seems to be right.....
ssj can u write it in ur native language and let some1 translate it?
another one smartass, show me any prof, or even a post from offi forums, wheres someone writes what bleed was evaded. Stop troling guys, get a rest..
Close topic.
Bleed was only an EXAMPLE. Take stun shot from archer as another example. It does damage and has a chance to stun. Ssj says that this type of skills are not evaded by UE type skills (physical skills that ALSO have a debuff). Afaik they shouldn't be evaded, just like counterattack doesn't activate for same said skills.
bleed/sting/rush/judgement/tribunal that is kind of skills that he means. Dunno about others but rush is 100% NOT avoidable.
for example:
stun shot, hammer crush is doing dmg and has the chance to stun aka debuff
so ue, 79 pw sills for skills evading, 83 dagger skills should be able to evade the dmg from such attacks but not evading to get stunned
here there is 100% chance to do dmg with such skills into ue type buffs which shouldnt be possible in gracia final
thats why i wrote its a bug
such skills are jugdment,tribunal,stunshot,hammer crush, crush of doom etc.
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 07, 2010, 02:07:54 PM
Afaik they shouldn't be evaded, just like counterattack doesn't activate for same said skills.
Like you saying, and its true. its pointles to argue.
Only
physical active skills can be evaded!
And someone needs to read primo guide, to know which skills is debuffs, which ones is DOT',s which one is phyzical active, which one is physical aura/active skills and etc... right ssj?
http://www.l2guru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129580 (http://www.l2guru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129580)
Quote from: ssj on February 07, 2010, 02:21:58 PM
for example:
stun shot, hammer crush is doing dmg and has the chance to stun aka debuff
so ue, 79 pw sills for skills evading, 83 dagger skills should be able to evade the dmg from such attacks but not evading to get stunned
here there is 100% chance to do dmg with such skills into ue type buffs which shouldnt be possible in gracia final
thats why i wrote its a bug
such skills are jugdment,tribunal,stunshot,hammer crush, crush of doom etc.
k thx i understand now and confirm :)
Quote from: ssj on February 07, 2010, 02:21:58 PM
for example:
stun shot, hammer crush is doing dmg and has the chance to stun aka debuff
so ue, 79 pw sills for skills evading, 83 dagger skills should be able to evade the dmg from such attacks but not evading to get stunned
here there is 100% chance to do dmg with such skills into ue type buffs which shouldnt be possible in gracia final
thats why i wrote its a bug
such skills are jugdment,tribunal,stunshot,hammer crush, crush of doom etc.
Finaly you wrote normaly... Sorry, but thinked you realy dumb ><
Yes damage should be evaded, but not effect. And not for all skills, as i sayd, you can evade only physical active skills.
Quote from: ssj on February 07, 2010, 02:24:08 PM
http://www.l2guru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129580 (http://www.l2guru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129580)
Any words about gracia final? Only about epilogue, and its a not official source.
In UE\etc, not a 100% chance to avoid skill, so..
Quote from: Lucifer on February 07, 2010, 03:20:27 PM
Quote from: ssj on February 07, 2010, 02:24:08 PM
http://www.l2guru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129580 (http://www.l2guru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129580)
Any words about gracia final? Only about epilogue, and its a not official source.
In UE\etc, not a 100% chance to avoid skill, so..
You could scroll down a bit
http://www.l2guru.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3131983&postcount=6