yoyo,
Everyone r talking about gm shop on rpg club and my question is what really does it include? tbh i never played on rpg before but i consider starting on the new low rate, however if the gm shop offers some imba goods then what is the point of playing here, if im wrong don't blame me just correct :) looking forward to seeing some answers!
Quote from: szato1991 on February 06, 2010, 04:58:20 AM
yoyo,
Everyone r talking about gm shop on rpg club and my question is what really does it include? tbh i never played on rpg before but i consider starting on the new low rate, however if the gm shop offers some imba goods then what is the point of playing here, if im wrong don't blame me just correct :) looking forward to seeing some answers!
Log into x1, you can check it there.
Just cause i'm a nice (BORED and sick at home) guy i will make pics of the donation shop on x1, see what we like and what don't like about it. This way (after players QQ a little) administrator can tweak the donation shop so it doesn't bother almost no one.
Edit soon...
Edit:
1) Accessories - no influence on gameplay, just on looks
(https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg521.imageshack.us%2Fimg521%2F6205%2Faccessories1.jpg&hash=51d12cdba009b6f47a05c3a81ba272052baf4e14)
2) Accessories 2
(https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg707.imageshack.us%2Fimg707%2F867%2Faccessories2.jpg&hash=1bbb682baa2d7b11dbd1dabbb98a84ff86c768ad)
3) Buff scrolls, adena and more accessories - ADENA SHOULD BE REMOVED
(https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg697.imageshack.us%2Fimg697%2F3142%2Fadena.jpg&hash=75f1c2c60f18f9af644ce456e0ef63e2a253ee02)
4) Agathions and some other stuff, don't think anything from here is gamebraking so it is ok
(https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg6.imageshack.us%2Fimg6%2F9853%2Fagathions.jpg&hash=d67e062c8e9d9d3a79dc3659a61ff835568cae39)
5) Bagguete items - i'm not sure what this do, someone who knows pls explain
(https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg683.imageshack.us%2Fimg683%2F7389%2Fbaguetteo.jpg&hash=4562a102f68de3109306cb71d6cf21f43935741a)
6) Buff scrolls, bsor bsoe, soe's
(https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg229.imageshack.us%2Fimg229%2F8162%2Fbsorbsoe.jpg&hash=63f28daedbea60bd516d005e4a6fd27af6a6c6d4)
7) Fortuna cubes - i have nothing against them
(https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg5.imageshack.us%2Fimg5%2F2603%2Ffortunaw.jpg&hash=03bc188e9d275edbd11614bf3a337ef63a6bd170)
8) xp/sp items - should be removed imo
(https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg204.imageshack.us%2Fimg204%2F887%2Fxpspitems.jpg&hash=f6ea9a01470c6a43cacfaf6344303783910ab221)
9) Npc buffer - only basic and till level 40 max but should be removed imo, no use for him
(https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg21.imageshack.us%2Fimg21%2F5826%2Fbuffnpc.jpg&hash=3ffea314b7470f1fb9fcc8c60b4106b06a0c52ef)
10) Almost forgot, blessed enchants d/c/b and giants codex - should be removed
(https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg11.imageshack.us%2Fimg11%2F8150%2Fblessench.jpg&hash=8ae6c74ed0df2929770da6e28cc900b08021d12e)
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/9853/agathions.jpg
Probably here are the cakes :d
thanks a lot CommunismFTW
I am also for removing Adena, XP/SP/Vitality Boosters, Enchants and Giant Codex.
At least the Adenas should be disabled at start, because of CH auction.
1k silver coins for 40kk? big deal lol like any1 gonna donate it.
Doesn't metter. It should be removed from game or at least at start.
I agree with previous speakers
Yea, Adensky and Giant Codex should be removed;)
yeah , true ;)
it will be sux if that will be xD , no adena and giant codex
arent cakes for voting points?
The only real problems for me (and i guess for most of the ppl) in the donation shop are:
1) adena - although it is extremely expensive to donate for, it shouldn't be there. It just looks ugly
2) giant codex - unlike adena, this are pretty cheap too (i think, 10 platinum coins = 10 silver coins?)
3) runes of xp/sp - u hold them in inv and they increase ur xp/sp gain for a fixed amount of time
There are also the blessed enchants but they are only for D/C/B grade so it's not that game braking. Maybe leave only D/C grade on shop?
And ofcourse the cake which is perfectly fine imo. Why? Anyone can rape ya ass (if they can) and steal your cake :D. It would actually create another pretty good reason for pvp in this game. Remember, the cake is NOT a lie :) ... or is it?
The only problem here for me is the Adena. Enchants to a lesser extent, but I can live with it.
Guys it doesn't metter. No such a donations at all. Maybe allow 2 boxes for normal users and 3 for premium or something. But adena, giant and enchants can affect game balance.
That's why we ask for those to be removed :) because they can imbalance the game. Other things there might too, but it's more then acceptable. Remember, a server needs to make money from somewhere to survive, and the donation list right now it's almost perfect. Just remove adena, giant codex and xp/sp runes and it's perfect!
And don't forget about blessed enchants :P
I dont think donation for exp/sp unbalance the game since they dont increase the drop rate - a perfect tool for ppl who dont have that much time to play.
btw they only add 50% more exp from 1x so... who cares ;p
-1 For noble; 3rd donation.
totally kills the server coz we might see heroes at end of march already, and the clan having them kill the server.
Tbh heroes should just be disable first month o.o, to make oly a big intense competition in april.
lol ppl would make heroes even without donation. so there definitely be heroes at end of month. take it
Quote from: plop on February 14, 2010, 08:41:25 PM
-1 For noble; 3rd donation.
totally kills the server coz we might see heroes at end of march already, and the clan having them kill the server.
Tbh heroes should just be disable first month o.o, to make oly a big intense competition in april.
Lol, w/o any donations its max 3-4 days till 75...
Just loged in to make a char on the 5x and i got to ask, is the npc shop there the one that will be used for 5x? Cause i see there are some differences to the x1 one. There is no bogs or enchants or quest donation but there is 1 little thing that still bothers me:
ADENAAAAAAAAAAA
That was one of the worser things, hope it will be removed before live.
Also, cake and xp runes weren't removed and i have no problem with it but i got to ask, isn't this things + all the other stuff enough to exclude the adena donation?
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 15, 2010, 03:11:43 PM
Just loged in to make a char on the 5x and i got to ask, is the npc shop there the one that will be used for 5x? Cause i see there are some differences to the x1 one. There is no bogs or enchants or quest donation but there is 1 little thing that still bothers me:
ADENAAAAAAAAAAA
That was one of the worser things, hope it will be removed before live.
Also, cake and xp runes weren't removed and i have no problem with it but i got to ask, isn't this things + all the other stuff enough to exclude the adena donation?
at least for some time?
who cares about adena? you said it's 200 USD for 42kk lol
Quote from: szato1991 on February 15, 2010, 05:18:54 PM
who cares about adena? you said it's 200 USD for 42kk lol
on x1. On the 5x test server 64kk adena is 200 usd. Yes, it's hell expensive but why even have it in the first place? Remove it for the first month at least then they can add it back, when it would only help new comers while having no effect on veterans.
Sry for double post.
Hope those answers will come today Alice.
They won't be here Today :( Alice lied to us. :P
i hope they remove
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/887/xpspitems.jpg
You need to pay like 20euros for 10h items
20 euros for 10h item is pretty expensive, if someone is willing to pay that much just leave em... someone has to pay russ bills and 10hours on 50% xp wont breaks server balance.
Quote from: plop on February 14, 2010, 08:41:25 PM
-1 For noble; 3rd donation.
totally kills the server coz we might see heroes at end of march already, and the clan having them kill the server.
Tbh heroes should just be disable first month o.o, to make oly a big intense competition in april.
This isn't Celes, much easier to get noble with 10+ days longer to do it by.
+ multiboxing
1st month heroes are inevitable.
It seems quest donation won't be avaible, and the items in donation shop that passed our QQing are hell expensive. BUT it still looks ugly, for a low rate server to have adena donation no matter how crazy expensive it is. I know that at those prices gameplay won't be influenced (as too few ppl will donate for this things) but i still ask admin to remove it, the Adena donation. Rest is ok.
P.S. Thank you for not adding enchants and bogs, it shows that u DO pay attention to what we have to say :-*
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 16, 2010, 08:28:09 AM
for a low rate server to have adena donation no matter how crazy expensive it is. I know that at those prices gameplay won't be influenced (as too few ppl will donate for this things) but i still ask admin to remove it, the Adena donation. Rest is ok.
P.S. Thank you for not adding enchants and bogs, it shows that u DO pay attention to what we have to say :-*
but what if someone does donate for the adena thing? won't that fuck up CH auctions? (w8 what? donations that inbalance gameplay? o shi geno will make rpg club riach!)
Would you donate $200 to put it all on a ch?
200$ for 60kk adena hmmmmmm. U'd need around 2000$ to get adena for a ch at start, are there clans here that can gather that money? :-X
STILL it needs to be removed for the first month at least (if not FOREVER!),
Quote from: CJ2000 on February 16, 2010, 08:46:00 AM
Would you donate $200 to put it all on a ch?
Wouldn't you? Farm/No life for a week or work for 2 hours? well for me :D, or sell weed for a a few min in san fran.
edit: they should remove it or imma abuse it :]
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 06, 2010, 01:05:11 PM
10) Almost forgot, blessed enchants d/c/b and giants codex - should be removed
(https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg11.imageshack.us%2Fimg11%2F8150%2Fblessench.jpg&hash=8ae6c74ed0df2929770da6e28cc900b08021d12e)
these items arent for donation coins, if u check it closer platinum coins =/= silver coins
platinum coins are obtainable in exchange for pvp tags (this options is good, if u pvp a lot, u can buy bogs for ur pvp tags)
yep and 1 platinum = 35 silvercoins :) 350 silvercoins is much more then all other stff there
Oh, never checked that stuff out. I thought platinum coins can be exchanged from silver coins. It's even better then :)
Just remove the damn adena and it's perfect. And if u really want it there u can add it back after a month, after auctions etc.
Edit:
Quote from: miou on February 16, 2010, 12:04:41 PM
yep and 1 platinum = 35 silvercoins :) 350 silvercoins is much more then all other stff there
So it can be exchanged >.< . Then it's good they didn't include this items. If they can make it so u can take them only through pvp then i'm fine with it (as i think everyone else).
the trade is well tought because if u have 1 platinum coin, you can change it for 1 sivlercoin, but if you have silvercoins and you want to obtain platinum, you have to pay 35 silvercoins for each platinum:)
and obtaining platinum is 35 tags per 1 coin, you obtain two different tags, with pk or pvp, conditions about that are already posted somewhere on forum by admins.
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 16, 2010, 12:05:23 PM
Oh, never checked that stuff out. [....]
maybe check smth, before making useless post? you made so many useless posts for what? to rise your post count or what? you are repeating yourself, asking questions that will never get answer from admins, it's anoying dude.
ps. admins realy dont care about your opinions, and i realy doubt that they even look at so shity topics.
What was useless? And the thing i didn't checked turned out to be as i said.
Anyway, if they wouldn't care they wouldn't have removed the bogs and enchants from donation shop or the quest donations.
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 16, 2010, 02:44:38 PM
What was useless? And the thing i didn't checked turned out to be as i said.
Anyway, if they wouldn't care they wouldn't have removed the bogs and enchants from donation shop or the quest donations.
dude,it's rpg-club, they don't care, if they removed smth, they did it coz decided in this way, not coz they come here, ready what ppl saying and magnanimously did what community desire. im playing and watching forum here long enough to know that.. yours posts nothing involve, but if you like such illusions, go on, post more shit.
Quote from: kinus on February 16, 2010, 03:30:04 PM
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 16, 2010, 02:44:38 PM
What was useless? And the thing i didn't checked turned out to be as i said.
Anyway, if they wouldn't care they wouldn't have removed the bogs and enchants from donation shop or the quest donations.
dude,it's rpg-club, they don't care, if they removed smth, they did it coz decided in this way, not coz they come here, ready what ppl saying and magnanimously did what community desire. im playing and watching forum here long enough to know that.. yours posts nothing involve, but if you like such illusions, go on, post more shit.
so i admins dont care about player, why do they give back items to ppl who got robbed? i know few ppl who received such help and even if admins r not very communicative, they do care no matter if u can notice it or not.
He's trolling, ignore him.
Quote from: BadDude on February 16, 2010, 03:52:27 PM
Quote from: kinus on February 16, 2010, 03:30:04 PM
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 16, 2010, 02:44:38 PM
What was useless? And the thing i didn't checked turned out to be as i said.
Anyway, if they wouldn't care they wouldn't have removed the bogs and enchants from donation shop or the quest donations.
dude,it's rpg-club, they don't care, if they removed smth, they did it coz decided in this way, not coz they come here, ready what ppl saying and magnanimously did what community desire. im playing and watching forum here long enough to know that.. yours posts nothing involve, but if you like such illusions, go on, post more shit.
so i admins dont care about player, why do they give back items to ppl who got robbed? i know few ppl who received such help and even if admins r not very communicative, they do care no matter if u can notice it or not.
jobe != care
Quote from: Deathwish on February 16, 2010, 05:10:20 PM
Quote from: BadDude on February 16, 2010, 03:52:27 PM
Quote from: kinus on February 16, 2010, 03:30:04 PM
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 16, 2010, 02:44:38 PM
What was useless? And the thing i didn't checked turned out to be as i said.
Anyway, if they wouldn't care they wouldn't have removed the bogs and enchants from donation shop or the quest donations.
dude,it's rpg-club, they don't care, if they removed smth, they did it coz decided in this way, not coz they come here, ready what ppl saying and magnanimously did what community desire. im playing and watching forum here long enough to know that.. yours posts nothing involve, but if you like such illusions, go on, post more shit.
so i admins dont care about player, why do they give back items to ppl who got robbed? i know few ppl who received such help and even if admins r not very communicative, they do care no matter if u can notice it or not.
jobe != care
job? show me another server on which u will get ur stuff back? they dont have to give it back to u, still they do and its not their job......
Quote from: CJ2000 on February 16, 2010, 08:46:00 AM
Would you donate $200 to put it all on a ch?
you're forgetting about ayotech :P
Quote from: BadDude on February 16, 2010, 03:52:27 PM
Quote from: kinus on February 16, 2010, 03:30:04 PM
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 16, 2010, 02:44:38 PM
What was useless? And the thing i didn't checked turned out to be as i said.
Anyway, if they wouldn't care they wouldn't have removed the bogs and enchants from donation shop or the quest donations.
dude,it's rpg-club, they don't care, if they removed smth, they did it coz decided in this way, not coz they come here, ready what ppl saying and magnanimously did what community desire. im playing and watching forum here long enough to know that.. yours posts nothing involve, but if you like such illusions, go on, post more shit.
so i admins dont care about player, why do they give back items to ppl who got robbed? i know few ppl who received such help and even if admins r not very communicative, they do care no matter if u can notice it or not.
and you know that from.. ? sorry, but you talking crap too.
Quote from: ve3k on February 16, 2010, 11:50:53 AM
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 06, 2010, 01:05:11 PM
10) Almost forgot, blessed enchants d/c/b and giants codex - should be removed
(https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg11.imageshack.us%2Fimg11%2F8150%2Fblessench.jpg&hash=8ae6c74ed0df2929770da6e28cc900b08021d12e)
these items arent for donation coins, if u check it closer platinum coins =/= silver coins
platinum coins are obtainable in exchange for pvp tags (this options is good, if u pvp a lot, u can buy bogs for ur pvp tags)
Can you tell more about how to exchange those pvp tags?
1 tag per pvp point per player per 5 mins 35 tags = coin, 10 coins = bog
you exchange in the same npc
By Alice:
I'll answer on February 15 - I'll have the information needed. Wait two more days, please.
Now Its 16 February and still no info and even a word about why no official informations.
Quote from: kinus on February 16, 2010, 06:56:56 PM
Quote from: BadDude on February 16, 2010, 03:52:27 PM
Quote from: kinus on February 16, 2010, 03:30:04 PM
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 16, 2010, 02:44:38 PM
What was useless? And the thing i didn't checked turned out to be as i said.
Anyway, if they wouldn't care they wouldn't have removed the bogs and enchants from donation shop or the quest donations.
dude,it's rpg-club, they don't care, if they removed smth, they did it coz decided in this way, not coz they come here, ready what ppl saying and magnanimously did what community desire. im playing and watching forum here long enough to know that.. yours posts nothing involve, but if you like such illusions, go on, post more shit.
from my friends who got robbed? sorry for u that u cant read
so i admins dont care about player, why do they give back items to ppl who got robbed? i know few ppl who received such help and even if admins r not very communicative, they do care no matter if u can notice it or not.
and you know that from.. ? sorry, but you talking crap too.
why would the shop be any different from the 1x shop.
From what i saw in many servers, if u will put some item in GM Shop put it from the start.
Coz ppl later will be angry with the "omfg lol donation" and will emoquit easily.
Quote from: qqqq on February 19, 2010, 07:34:49 AM
why would the shop be any different from the 1x shop.
Cause, apparently, community from is x5 is a lot different to the one from x1 and we hate items in donation shop that influences gameplay. And administration should think twice before adding such items if they want as many players as possible, more players = more donation for them and more fun for us (and more lag for all :) ). They should look at dex for example, they have 0 donations for items ingame (except for the corupted gm from time to time) and they still make sh1t load of $$$ and they will continue too cause ppl, very simple, enjoy a quality server (yes, their files suck and admin is an emo but still).
without donation it wont be server so..
If u dont like donation choose another server, its just that easy (better for us so we have less lag :D)
I don't have a problem with cleverly made donations that DON'T interfere with gameplay, and it's not because i alone dislike them, it's because many MANY ppl hate servers with such donations so they just stay away. Might be better here, cause we still have no idea how well the hardware will fare, but still, it will also imballance the game. I'm ok with xp runes, cakes, accesorries, aghations, buff scrolls etc. but PLEASE, no adena and retarded stuff like that. It's THAT simple.
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 19, 2010, 09:39:13 AM
I don't have a problem with cleverly made donations that DON'T interfere with gameplay, and it's not because i alone dislike them, it's because many MANY ppl hate servers with such donations so they just stay away. Might be better here, cause we still have no idea how well the hardware will fare, but still, it will also imballance the game. I'm ok with xp runes, cakes, accesorries, aghations, buff scrolls etc. but PLEASE, no adena and retarded stuff like that. It's THAT simple.
Who will donate for accesorys and agathions ? lol
Server need suport and admins get it through donation.
Btw no one donates for runes :D, exp is easily boteable :p
And u can get cakes by voting.
Simple question: ur saying we should have adena as donation?
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 19, 2010, 10:06:13 AM
Simple question: ur saying we should have adena as donation?
if its 200 usd for 60kk, sure.
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 19, 2010, 10:06:13 AM
Simple question: ur saying we should have adena as donation?
Why not?
After some time ppl can buy it from other players anyway.
Many ppl is okay with donations, and some are not, but u have to think what is best for the server.
Ok, thnx, now i understand u :)
Many ppl is ok with donations, 100 times more are NOT ok with it. I guess u are one of those that are ok with it. Having decent donations will get them a better end result, getting more players -> getting more donations. Is it better to get three 200$ donations? Or 200-300 of 5-10$ donations? Not to mention second option would also leave the gameplay as normal as possible.
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 19, 2010, 10:44:30 AM
Ok, thnx, now i understand u :)
Many ppl is ok with donations, 100 times more are NOT ok with it. I guess u are one of those that are ok with it. Having decent donations will get them a better end result, getting more players -> getting more donations. Is it better to get three 200$ donations? Or 200-300 of 5-10$ donations? Not to mention second option would also leave the gameplay as normal as possible.
Tell me why someone would donate for agathion/Accesory/Nick color/Cake(that u can get with vote coins easily)/ and some sh1t items that no one really needs?
When someone donates its to get smth good in return and suport server, not to get a lol hair accesory :D
donations for stuff that influence gameplay is LOL. and adena even more
Quote from: culinko on February 19, 2010, 12:00:43 PM
donations for stuff that influence gameplay is LOL. and adena even more
dex fanboi?
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 19, 2010, 10:44:30 AM
Ok, thnx, now i understand u :)
Many ppl is ok with donations, 100 times more are NOT ok with it. I guess u are one of those that are ok with it. Having decent donations will get them a better end result, getting more players -> getting more donations. Is it better to get three 200$ donations? Or 200-300 of 5-10$ donations? Not to mention second option would also leave the gameplay as normal as possible.
They made donation from a long time...
If a guy want to donate 500$ to get 100kk, and an other will farm 2 days non stop to make the same.
Where is the problem?
Its no donation about Weapon, armor, epic jewel.
Its about nobless, cakes, ...
Your exemple is a shit :
Yeah maybe 200-300 guys will pays 5$ for hat.
But i can tell you than 200-300 guys will buy cakes ( so 50sc each ) maybe nobless, hat too and its not just about 3 guys who will pat 200$.
So you will ask to admin to get 1000$ and not more than 5000...
The answer will be the same about dualbox : YOU CANT CHANGE IT. So dont discuss about it. You are on a serv were poeple play with it ( same as *30 ). You dont want it ? Go other way, go play on dex ( on HB serv ) if you think its the best serv.
What will be next topic :
PLZ put maximum time to play /day like 6h. Because i have a job, a family and its not fair to see all that geek playing 24/24 and getting more adena, more xp :(. i QQ a lot.
ps : I played on *30 and i didnt put 1$, so no i m not a rich guy who will pay 500$ on *5. I m just a guy who say : Admin dont care about what you think !
Quote from: Mouarf on February 19, 2010, 01:06:41 PM
Go other way, go play on dex ( on HB serv ) if you think its the best serv.
i don't care about dex
What will be next topic :
PLZ put maximum time to play /day like 6h. Because i have a job, a family and its not fair to see all that geek playing 24/24 and getting more adena, more xp :(. i QQ a lot.
how is this even close to what i said? If i don't have time to play it's my problem. About buying stuff, i don't want to, because not everyone affords to donate so the enviroment wouldn't be equal for everyone. I want it to be equal for everyone so the ones that end on top can be there because they deserve it, not because they can afford to buy more stuff. So, as a conclusion, i see donating for things that influence gameplay the same as cheating. [btw, i'm not saying donations are wrong, just the ones that influence gameplay. The server needs to get some $$$ to survive]
ps : I played on *30 and i didnt put 1$, so no i m not a rich guy who will pay 500$ on *5. I m just a guy who say : Admin dont care about what you think !
If u can u should do it, ur helping the server u play on. And i don't think admin doesn't cares about what the community says. We will be the ones playing on his server. I don't say he should listen to mister X or Y, but he should think about it and make it pleasing for the majority.
(https://smf2.rpg-club.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gifs.net%2FAnimation11%2FAnimals%2FPrimates_and_Monkeys%2FApe_walks.gif&hash=5c703e9b3e3c861507fa0fd6294d483e12f5933a)
everything would be ok with donations if GM will enable it 1month after server starts, this way it wouldnt give clans any advantage when server starts. If donatios will stay as its now some donation oriented clans will have huge advantage cuz of lvl. They will rich 76 faster, they will get noblesses faster and more that other clans and it will result in more heroses in Apirl. So this "donation oriented clan" will dominate most of epics/castle&fortress sieges in April. With the epics/items/adena they get in april they will dominate the oly and feed more heroses for another month and so on untill they'll decide that theres no competition on server and quit.
And i doubt that admins would change the donation cuz they will just lose money. Its obvious that setting any private server is just for cash earning even if GMs say different and claim that all the money they get are being spent on bills.
IMO this server will be fight between ppl that donated and ppl that didnt.
Quote from: itstime on February 19, 2010, 06:00:41 PM
everything would be ok with donations if GM will enable it 1month after server starts, this way it wouldnt give clans any advantage when server starts
agree 100%. If removing forever adena is not an option, at least remove any gameplay influencing stuff for the first month, so everyone has an equal start. By this i mean adena, xp cakes, xp/sp runes and 3rd/sub/noble quests. I don't know if there are other nasty stuff in the donation shop.
The main point of donations is not to get things IG but to tell to admins that u care about the server. The things u get for it is like saying thanks so they shouldnt influence gameplay imo.
Quote from: itstime on February 19, 2010, 06:00:41 PM
IMO this server will be fight between ppl that donated and ppl that didnt.
not much of a fight there...
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 19, 2010, 07:41:58 PM
If removing forever adena is not an option, at least remove any gameplay influencing stuff for the first month, so everyone has an equal start.
believe me that its way worse that way, ppl dont want to start a low rate and after 1 month get a surprise like that.
Donations Should start from the same day or shouldnt start at all.
Its the same like saying after 1 month "Server will be x200 rate" or "Custom full buff npc in giran" ppl would just dont like it and they have the right to know what will happen later.
Quote from: Rager on February 19, 2010, 09:02:02 PM
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 19, 2010, 07:41:58 PM
If removing forever adena is not an option, at least remove any gameplay influencing stuff for the first month, so everyone has an equal start.
believe me that its way worse that way, ppl dont want to start a low rate and after 1 month get a surprise like that.
Donations Should start from the same day or shouldnt start at all.
Its the same like saying after 1 month "Server will be x200 rate" or "Custom full buff npc in giran" ppl would just dont like it and they have the right to know what will happen later.
looks like you have completly no idea what are we talking about OR youre just one of those that want to take advantage over others via DONATIONS and thats why you are saying: DONATIONS FROM START!! Me want spend 400$ and have first nobl/hero and then say "GF noobs i owned you all" and then "you are no competition to me! you suck, bye"
Quote from: itstime on February 19, 2010, 09:10:47 PM
Quote from: Rager on February 19, 2010, 09:02:02 PM
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 19, 2010, 07:41:58 PM
If removing forever adena is not an option, at least remove any gameplay influencing stuff for the first month, so everyone has an equal start.
believe me that its way worse that way, ppl dont want to start a low rate and after 1 month get a surprise like that.
Donations Should start from the same day or shouldnt start at all.
Its the same like saying after 1 month "Server will be x200 rate" or "Custom full buff npc in giran" ppl would just dont like it and they have the right to know what will happen later.
looks like you have completly no idea what are we talking about OR youre just one of those that want to take advantage over others via DONATIONS and thats why you are saying: DONATIONS FROM START!! Me want spend 400$ and have first nobl/hero and then say "GF noobs i owned you all" and then "you are no competition to me! you suck, bye"
Lol, i personally never donated. And i dont see how donations affects in endgame. I pwned in many donation servers without even buying buff from buffer npc ;D
Implementing donations after 1 month will just be a "kick in the nuts" for many players.
Quote from: itstime on February 19, 2010, 09:10:47 PM
Quote from: Rager on February 19, 2010, 09:02:02 PM
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 19, 2010, 07:41:58 PM
If removing forever adena is not an option, at least remove any gameplay influencing stuff for the first month, so everyone has an equal start.
believe me that its way worse that way, ppl dont want to start a low rate and after 1 month get a surprise like that.
Donations Should start from the same day or shouldnt start at all.
Its the same like saying after 1 month "Server will be x200 rate" or "Custom full buff npc in giran" ppl would just dont like it and they have the right to know what will happen later.
looks like you have completly no idea what are we talking about OR youre just one of those that want to take advantage over others via DONATIONS and thats why you are saying: DONATIONS FROM START!! Me want spend 400$ and have first nobl/hero and then say "GF noobs i owned you all" and then "you are no competition to me! you suck, bye"
You speak about competition?
What's the best way to have competition :
1 ) Let 1 bigt clan ( with number and nolife player ) with bigger organisation play 24/24, be the first to reach nobless. Get first heros, first epics, ...
2 ) Give chance to more little clan ( or even random ) to get nobless by donation, take cakes to get xp faster to give competion w/o been online 24/24.
If you let people ( who dont want to spend all the night to look at barakiel spawn, and be KS by other clan ) have nobless with donation, you will see more nobless char at the end of March, so more competition...
So please, dont speak about competition when you speak about donation. Thxs
This serv work with that... Why do you want to change it?
About nobless donation : The best way to get $ by nobless for administration, is in the first month. ( get 20k token from start, maybe à heros in your clan for April, is better for player who want to donate. ... ) so admin will make 'easy and fast' money with that. And you ask them to change it, lol.
Quote from: Mouarf on February 19, 2010, 09:44:40 PM
Quote from: itstime on February 19, 2010, 09:10:47 PM
Quote from: Rager on February 19, 2010, 09:02:02 PM
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 19, 2010, 07:41:58 PM
If removing forever adena is not an option, at least remove any gameplay influencing stuff for the first month, so everyone has an equal start.
believe me that its way worse that way, ppl dont want to start a low rate and after 1 month get a surprise like that.
Donations Should start from the same day or shouldnt start at all.
Its the same like saying after 1 month "Server will be x200 rate" or "Custom full buff npc in giran" ppl would just dont like it and they have the right to know what will happen later.
looks like you have completly no idea what are we talking about OR youre just one of those that want to take advantage over others via DONATIONS and thats why you are saying: DONATIONS FROM START!! Me want spend 400$ and have first nobl/hero and then say "GF noobs i owned you all" and then "you are no competition to me! you suck, bye"
You speak about competition?
What's the best way to have competition :
1 ) Let 1 bigt clan ( with number and nolife player ) with bigger organisation play 24/24, be the first to reach nobless. Get first heros, first epics, ...
2 ) Give chance to more little clan ( or even random ) to get nobless by donation, take cakes to get xp faster to give competion w/o been online 24/24.
If you let people ( who dont want to spend all the night to look at barakiel spawn, and be KS by other clan ) have nobless with donation, you will see more nobless char at the end of March, so more competition...
So please, dont speak about competition when you speak about donation. Thxs
This serv work with that... Why do you want to change it?
About nobless donation : The best way to get $ by nobless for administration, is in the first month. ( get 20k token from start, maybe à heros in your clan for April, is better for player who want to donate. ... ) so admin will make 'easy and fast' money with that. And you ask them to change it, lol.
the thing is that actually those pro nolifer clans will donate and get way stronger
and about part with affecting the server "life" and ballance...I loled :D
You can 'loled' as much as you can...
Adminisration put gm shop like this, and you cant change it. so continue to loled ;)
Quote from: itstime on February 19, 2010, 06:00:41 PM
And i doubt that admins would change the donation cuz they will just lose money. Its obvious that setting any private server is just for cash earning even if GMs say different and claim that all the money they get are being spent on bills.
do I really have to quote myself?
I just hope that there wont be donation for sub/nobl, at least for 1 month, other wise is gonna be bullsh1t and who will have more $$$ he will get way to big advantage, specially if you can even buy adena with coins as it is atm on the npc.
They should get rid of gm-shop or just stick with minor things that dont do great impact in-game specially if those items only work with donation but still I don't agree very much with the idea of having a gm-shop,also npc-buffer what we need that for? didn´t we had beguinner's guide npc already?It's not a big deal I just think it's pointless...
Stop it already with the "gm shop" It is NOT an gm shop, u can think at it like the official l2.ru ingame shop. It's just the way donation system is set up here. It has extremely few items there that interfere with gameplay (and their craaaaaazy expensive, like 200 bucks for 60kk adena; i wanna see u donate for that). And that buffer only works for characters BELOW level 40 so u can pretty much say it's USELESS!
we have byffer till 62 anyway
I think donations are fair.
I rather have the server supported by enhanced donations than black market corruption for boss jewels and s grade ect.
Well you can donate like 100euros sell all those sc and you can buy shit load of stuff ig
u can also drop 100 euros on retail and be in full S grade at lvl 1.
Whats ur point?
How far is someone gonna get with 60kk? First b grade luxury set.
Plz not that :(
Quote from: wegotthis on February 20, 2010, 09:27:09 PM
u can also drop 100 euros on retail and be in full S grade at lvl 1.
Whats ur point?
How far is someone gonna get with 60kk? First b grade luxury set.
Plz not that :(
clan hall?
n1 from administrators repeat ?:s
i like gm shop cause i dont take money from my parents like u kids :D
Quote from: ssj3 on February 21, 2010, 02:24:49 PM
i like gm shop cause i dont take money from my parents like u kids :D
He's right
I'm adult, have job and i can afford donations like many other so this is wrong and should be forbidden at the beggining.
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 20, 2010, 08:01:53 PM
Stop it already with the "gm shop" It is NOT an gm shop, u can think at it like the official l2.ru ingame shop. It's just the way donation system is set up here. It has extremely few items there that interfere with gameplay (and their craaaaaazy expensive, like 200 bucks for 60kk adena; i wanna see u donate for that). And that buffer only works for characters BELOW level 40 so u can pretty much say it's USELESS!
I just logged to 5x and the GM shop sells adena equivalent of 1-5-10-50-100-200-500-1000 coins which means 60-300-600k adena and so on.That's
NOT cool lol.
1000 coins = 64kk adena = 204$
Wanna make the server owners rich? And u poor? Go ahead and donate :o
P.S. Yes, i would like adena to be removed for ever but at least it's crazy expensive so u can be sure that the amount of adena that will come from donations is going to influence the market, imo, in less then 1%.
any1 know something about cakes ? it will run normal?
and what merCy means saying it: With this, server will not handle 3.000+ expected population, and HDD's information remaining..
i'll donate $200 for hairpin
I want Giant's codex removed from the GM shop too. Not like it will happen, but worth a try. D:
Giants codex and enchants were removed already. The only things left from our QQ list are adena and cake / xp runes. Imo, only adena should be removed, the cake and xp runes are more then ok.
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 21, 2010, 11:01:38 PM
Giants codex and enchants were removed already. The only things left from our QQ list are adena and cake / xp runes. Imo, only adena should be removed, the cake and xp runes are more then ok.
+1
AGREE
A really important question would be:
All the donations that u removed from shop, when will they be put back again?
Items like fortuna cubes/ enchants/bogs just ruin the game.
accept the fact that they cant remove adena from shop since they need to pay for the servers..
no donations= no server
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 21, 2010, 08:33:33 PM
1000 coins = 64kk adena = 204$
Wanna make the server owners rich? And u poor? Go ahead and donate :o
P.S. Yes, i would like adena to be removed for ever but at least it's crazy expensive so u can be sure that the amount of adena that will come from donations is going to influence the market, imo, in less then 1%.
1coin=60k adena=0.2$
5coins=300k adena=1$
10coins=600k adena=2$
50coins=3kk adena=10$
100coins=6kk adena=20$
500coins=30kk adena=100$
1000coins=60kk adena=200$
these are the donation options for adena on 5x atm,at least this is what i saw in GM shop there.now i'm sure this will influence market more than 1%.
The only influence that can happen is in the first 2 weeks until auctions end and ONLY if some clans donate for a few hundred kk's of adena to get 2-3 ch's. And 60kk after 2 weeks of farm is a SMALL amount. They would need about 200kk to help with their main ch target or get 2nd ch. That means they should gather 600$ + only for 200kk adena. Any clan here ready to donate so much money for so few pixelz? Maybe genocide would do it :) but that's it.
Anyway, let's just hope they remove adena from donation shop, at least for a while.
maybe ....and I hope u are right ,but for me 10$ means theca set,or avadon set and I am gonna get me for sure one of those cause it's just 10$.
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 22, 2010, 09:36:19 AM
The only influence that can happen is in the first 2 weeks until auctions end and ONLY if some clans donate for a few hundred kk's of adena to get 2-3 ch's. And 60kk after 2 weeks of farm is a SMALL amount. They would need about 200kk to help with their main ch target or get 2nd ch. That means they should gather 600$ + only for 200kk adena. Any clan here ready to donate so much money for so few pixelz? Maybe genocide would do it :) but that's it.
Anyway, let's just hope they remove adena from donation shop, at least for a while.
Cant u get that without adena ppl wont donate?
ppl dont donate = no server for u
Of of of :-\
Do u really think people are only interested in adena? The most successful servers out there survived for years and years without adena for donation. It should give u a hint.
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 22, 2010, 10:19:10 AM
Of of of :-\
Do u really think people are only interested in adena? The most successful servers out there survived for years and years without adena for donation. It should give u a hint.
yea true adena donations would count in the first week only.after that server has to survive without that anyway.but like I said it
would count.not much i'm sure but it would.
i'd rather give 15$ for a goggle hat but since i can buy 5kk with 15$ I dunno,might be usefull
You can buy the hat and sell it for 50kk
Quote from: Pel8 on February 22, 2010, 02:09:03 PM
You can buy the hat and sell it for 50kk
i'm only talking about the first week
Quote from: Pel8 on February 22, 2010, 02:09:03 PM
You can buy the hat and sell it for 50kk
There's a difference. That hat would be bought with ingame farmed adena, therefor, no influx of unnecessary adena that could influence the market.
Anyway, although that adena in the shop looks ugly at first sight and could push people away, i for one don't have a problem with it anymore. It's way too expensive to do any damage in the long run. Just maybe a little bit at start. If anyone chooses not to play here because of this, then it's their problem. Go and play where ever u feel happy to do it.
Quote from: CommunismFTW on February 21, 2010, 11:01:38 PM
Giants codex and enchants were removed already. The only things left from our QQ list are adena and cake / xp runes. Imo, only adena should be removed, the cake and xp runes are more then ok.
That's great news. Adena is the only thing I'm unhappy with now, but I can live with it.
About donate - you can login TEST-EVENT server anytime and look on GM-shop. He in development.
All what I can say 100% - you can`t donate for professions, subclass and noblesse.
by. Szabak
Ad. But how many times we have to ask about ADENA ?! Just one time answer our question more specific. We clearly asked about adena at start of the server.
https://forumen.rpg-club.net/index.php?topic=2179.msg29731#msg29731
UPD.
Thank you ! Consider that adena could affect game play at the beggining. Even 200$ for a whole clan like mine its not too expensive. 2$ for one person and we have CH without any efford. Dont allow to donate for adena for beggining especially. After one month for example its not a big deal.
Quote from: Шабака on February 23, 2010, 12:27:21 AM
https://forumen.rpg-club.net/index.php?topic=2179.msg29731#msg29731
UPD.
And what about the removed donations?
when they will be back again?
They won't be back hopefully. Gimme some more love from russia !
Quote from: reni on February 23, 2010, 12:56:23 AM
They won't be back hopefully. Gimme some more love from russia !
lol keep dreaming, they will be back.
Im just asking when.
so you cant donate for 3rd/sub/noble quests yet you can donate for an item that gives you +50% EXP/SP for 7 days ($200), in addition to full vitality replenishing cakes. This is a big deal on a 5x. None of the poor euros will want to play here
how much does 1 silver coin cost?
Quote from: BadDude on February 23, 2010, 03:50:43 AM
how much does 1 silver coin cost?
http://2pay.us.com/oplata/?id=2163&new=1
85 euro for a hat? lol
why did u change the hat prices, it was all fine on 30x, quite many people bought hats on 30x, now the price is way too high
0.21 USD per coin from a credit card but 0.66 USD per coin from paypal ?
This post, starts here :
Quote from: szato1991 on February 06, 2010, 04:58:20 AM
yoyo,
Everyone r talking about gm shop on rpg club and my question is what really does it include? tbh i never played on rpg before but i consider starting on the new low rate, however if the gm shop offers some imba goods then what is the point of playing here, if im wrong don't blame me just correct :) looking forward to seeing some answers!
And will end here
https://forumen.rpg-club.net/index.php?topic=2559.0
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