Am I the only one who's annoyed that only these Russians have the Gracia Final files? Take a look around. If another server opened up with similar files this place would be a ghost town because just about anything would beat the current service being provided here. I've seen the way the administration acts as well...
"if you dont like it u can leave"
"well theres the door"
"u r free to go"
"communism ftw"
...They are only able to do this because they know they're the only server with such files because otherwise players would absolutely not tolerate such disrespect and uncaring from the administration and leave en masse. Speaking of leaving, it's becoming apparent to me that the english side of the network in a whole is slowly dying out, there's been talk of Russian favoritism due to the administration being mostly, if not entirely Russian themselves. I'm not sure whether or not this is true but I wouldn't be too surprised if it was. But then what's new? On all Private Servers there are some forms of corruption, some are just more obvious than others. This isn't news
What's different however, is the level of tolerance the administration is offering towards offenders. When the 30x first opened, the punishment for botting was such an absurd joke that it was literally "bot until you get caught, then don't bot again", some people were able to bot all the way up to 85 without worry due to this lax. It was a rookie mistake and was rather slowly taken into consideration and changed, and changed without warning. Regardless of how it was pretty much too late at that point, the server trudged on.
Fast forward several weeks after this and you now have reports of a major exploit involving disconnecting people. Once again and not-so-surprisingly, it is being handled very slowly. So slowly in fact that the exploiters have already reaped rewards such as boss jewels and Hero status strictly through it.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that RPG-Club needs to step it up. This poor handling of the server will not mean you magically keep players and get more players, it will only mean that your server gets a bad stink and people will leave, others will not join due to the rumors and stories they have heard.
Your 5x is a shining opportunity to pick things up tenfold, the amount of people looking for a decent english-speaking lowrate with Gracia Final official files is staggering, yet the advertisement regarding such a server is minimal at best. From what I've gathered, the server will be opened sometime in January. Well, it's January now and still there's not even a News post regarding the server even being in the works, none-the-less the open beta (that will wipe) being up.
The actions of the administration are questionable. You clearly want players to play on your servers, elsewise you wouldn't have them up to begin with (so spare me the argument that we "can leave if we don't like it" because if everyone left you wouldn't be very happy), yet the effort made into actually getting and keeping players is at an all-time low. And for what?
Because you're the only server with Gracia Final files?
Pick it up, RPG-Club. You're slacking. Hiring more GM's who can handle issues would be a good start.
you know what lol? i cant beleive im gonna say this. but i agree. if azure or dex had these files it would all be GG :P
no disrespect not looking for a 20 day ban again lol
i will only add from me:
x30 is most populated of your servers and u act like u don't care about it.
This topic would've probably not been necessary if not for the lack of communication between the Staff and the Players.
They might actually be looking into the exploit issue, but nobody knows for sure because the Game Master Team does not speak of it. Little things like "We're aware of the issue and are looking into it" go a long way.
i see you want a warning from me for quoting my words, when i said that my point of view DOES NOT REPRESENT ADMINISTRATION.
Quote from: Aibo on January 01, 2010, 09:38:48 PM
i see you want a warning from me for quoting my words, when i said that my point of view DOES NOT REPRESENT ADMINISTRATION.
For some reason I keep thinking you're an Admin. So for that I apologize, but everything else remains relevant.
Quote from: Aibo on January 01, 2010, 09:38:48 PM
i see you want a warning from me for quoting my words, when i said that my point of view DOES NOT REPRESENT ADMINISTRATION.
Yes, you're right, because administration doesn't excist here.
if you want care and service - retail is waiting for you, where people have responsibilities, cause other people paying them for services they provide.
P. S. for mentally impaired:
that is my PERSONAL OPINION, NOT RELATED TO ADMINISTRATION IN ANY WAY
Quote from: Aibo on January 01, 2010, 09:42:49 PM
if you want care and service - retail is waiting for you, where people have responsibilities, cause other people paying them for services they provide.
P. S. for mentally impaired:
that is my PERSONAL OPINION, NOT RELATED TO ADMINISTRATION IN ANY WAY
Well I have to tell you, what you're saying isn't really helping the situation any. If anything it's making it worse.
what you all saying isnt helping the situation either.
Quote from: Aibo on January 01, 2010, 09:42:49 PM
if you want care and service - retail is waiting for you, where people have responsibilities, cause other people paying them for services they provide.
P. S. for mentally impaired:
that is my PERSONAL OPINION, NOT RELATED TO ADMINISTRATION IN ANY WAY
But ppl are donating and you should care about them. :-\
Quote from: Aibo on January 01, 2010, 09:44:40 PM
what you all saying isnt helping the situation either.
Something needs to be said, though. A lot of people are getting pretty upset about things that could've been prevented and if not, can at least be addressed and fixed. But instead it's nothing, at least from what we see. This is bad.
As well, my concern about the 5x was meant to be as constructive as possible. I simply feel that by not advertising the upcoming server, it will not reach it's full potential.
QuoteBut ppl are donating and you should care about them. Undecided
me? why? i dont get a $1 of that money. im not part of THE administration. moderator, yes, GM, yes.
but im a volunteer, im not paid, and i have very little influence on administration.
i dont run the server. and im in no position to tell how to run it.
Quote from: Aibo on January 01, 2010, 09:49:55 PM
QuoteBut ppl are donating and you should care about them. Undecided
me? why? i dont get a $1 of that money. im not part of THE administration. moderator, yes, GM, yes.
but im a volunteer, im not paid, and i have very little influence on administration.
i dont run the server. and im in no position to tell how to run it.
I've said this for administration and you're the only way to reach them. ;] Because they don't talk english. BTW why administration never asked our opinion? Why they haven't made a thread about new server rates? No one cares about our opinion and there have been many discusion about server rates and so on, but
no one cared. Maybe it's time to talk a little bit whit eng players not only russians?
Quote from: Aibo on January 01, 2010, 09:42:49 PM
if you want care and service - retail is waiting for you, where people have responsibilities, cause other people paying them for services they provide.
P. S. for mentally impaired:
that is my PERSONAL OPINION, NOT RELATED TO ADMINISTRATION IN ANY WAY
NcSoft Support is bad like the RPGclub Support here. People give the GMs or Admins some opinions, but the Admins doesn't care about players opinions. They just decide and people have to follow it. Serious a server can't run like that, because your people would leave the Server sooner or later, even with your awesome Gracia Final Files.
The Admin of RPG starts finally to care about the International Community or i see no future for the 30x Server, neither the 5x Server. And get finally some new GMs with proper english skills to help people ingame and on the forum. New GMs doesn't need ueber GM-Rights like summoning Items and stuff. Checking Item Logs, summoning, ban, freeze people and GM Voice is enough to help most of the people ...
Edit: Also stop closing/deleting every fucking thread about peoples problems without solving the problem.
ye i would like admins to do a lot of votes for the new server :)
Russians : /care
Russian2: QQ moar
Russian3: Russian servar not for u faggits
Quote from: penom on January 01, 2010, 10:20:38 PM
Russians : /care
Russian2: QQ moar
Russian3: Russian servar not for u faggits
need moar swear-words ;) because russians only drinks vodka and swears!
Quote from: Izlude on January 01, 2010, 09:22:46 PM
Am I the only one who's annoyed that only these Russians have the Gracia Final files? Take a look around. If another server opened up with similar files this place would be a ghost town because just about anything would beat the current service being provided here. I've seen the way the administration acts as well...
"if you dont like it u can leave"
"well theres the door"
"u r free to go"
"communism ftw"
...They are only able to do this because they know they're the only server with such files because otherwise players would absolutely not tolerate such disrespect and uncaring from the administration and leave en masse. Speaking of leaving, it's becoming apparent to me that the english side of the network in a whole is slowly dying out, there's been talk of Russian favoritism due to the administration being mostly, if not entirely Russian themselves. I'm not sure whether or not this is true but I wouldn't be too surprised if it was. But then what's new? On all Private Servers there are some forms of corruption, some are just more obvious than others. This isn't news
What's different however, is the level of tolerance the administration is offering towards offenders. When the 30x first opened, the punishment for botting was such an absurd joke that it was literally "bot until you get caught, then don't bot again", some people were able to bot all the way up to 85 without worry due to this lax. It was a rookie mistake and was rather slowly taken into consideration and changed, and changed without warning. Regardless of how it was pretty much too late at that point, the server trudged on.
Fast forward several weeks after this and you now have reports of a major exploit involving disconnecting people. Once again and not-so-surprisingly, it is being handled very slowly. So slowly in fact that the exploiters have already reaped rewards such as boss jewels and Hero status strictly through it.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that RPG-Club needs to step it up. This poor handling of the server will not mean you magically keep players and get more players, it will only mean that your server gets a bad stink and people will leave, others will not join due to the rumors and stories they have heard.
Your 5x is a shining opportunity to pick things up tenfold, the amount of people looking for a decent english-speaking lowrate with Gracia Final official files is staggering, yet the advertisement regarding such a server is minimal at best. From what I've gathered, the server will be opened sometime in January. Well, it's January now and still there's not even a News post regarding the server even being in the works, none-the-less the open beta (that will wipe) being up.
The actions of the administration are questionable. You clearly want players to play on your servers, elsewise you wouldn't have them up to begin with (so spare me the argument that we "can leave if we don't like it" because if everyone left you wouldn't be very happy), yet the effort made into actually getting and keeping players is at an all-time low. And for what?
Because you're the only server with Gracia Final files?
Pick it up, RPG-Club. You're slacking. Hiring more GM's who can handle issues would be a good start.
Only can say, respect and god job dude
It's really quite ironic because on most l2j servers the staff usually have such drive and ambition to keep things together they work hard to maintain their limited playerbase and put in unrealistic hours to fix the plethora of bugs they usually have. Then you have this server. I'm going to say server and refer specifically to the 30x because granted while this may be a network, the pop count shows quite clearly that the majority of people don't care about the others. The population was basically spoon fed to you through sheer word of mouth of the lucky people who knew about it from the beginning, your bugs are limited, albeit quite severe (such as the disconnects in oly) but on the whole, with the administration's very limited involvement the server has flourished. If the upcoming 5x server had 1-2 dedicated developers, 2 dedicated English speaking gm's (preferrably English and Russian but generally Russian's know English a lot better than the opposite) available for in game support and admin/player relations and most importantly, a good level of communication and feedback between the staff then the upcoming server would beat all competition effortlessly.
The really funny thing though, is that so many people want this server to work and see the potential in it there's probably a few hundred right now who would be willing to contribute in any way they could to help this be a success. I won't say the admin team genuinely don't care about the server because at the end of the day they continually pay for the upkeep, I will say however that the impression they give off is that they don't care, which is quite sad. It's such a shame to see what could be the perfect server never reach that peak due to the people in charge. If you don't care about the server but are more than happy to provide funding for it then why not just hand over the reigns to someone who can fill the void where your passion for the server should be?
Quote from: Grettna on January 02, 2010, 12:02:22 AM
It's really quite ironic because on most l2j servers the staff usually have such drive and ambition to keep things together they work hard to maintain their limited playerbase and put in unrealistic hours to fix the plethora of bugs they usually have. Then you have this server. I'm going to say server and refer specifically to the 30x because granted while this may be a network, the pop count shows quite clearly that the majority of people don't care about the others. The population was basically spoon fed to you through sheer word of mouth of the lucky people who knew about it from the beginning, your bugs are limited, albeit quite severe (such as the disconnects in oly) but on the whole, with the administration's very limited involvement the server has flourished. If the upcoming 5x server had 1-2 dedicated developers, 2 dedicated English speaking gm's (preferrably English and Russian but generally Russian's know English a lot better than the opposite) available for in game support and admin/player relations and most importantly, a good level of communication and feedback between the staff then the upcoming server would beat all competition effortlessly.
The really funny thing though, is that so many people want this server to work and see the potential in it there's probably a few hundred right now who would be willing to contribute in any way they could to help this be a success. I won't say the admin team genuinely don't care about the server because at the end of the day they continually pay for the upkeep, I will say however that the impression they give off is that they don't care, which is quite sad. It's such a shame to see what could be the perfect server never reach that peak due to the people in charge. If you don't care about the server but are more than happy to provide funding for it then why not just hand over the reigns to someone who can fill the void where your passion for the server should be?
Wont happen
Quote from: Aibo on January 01, 2010, 09:49:55 PM
Quote
i have very little influence on administration.
i dont run the server. and im in no position to tell how to run it.
so dont bother posting in this thread anymore.
Quote from: naro on January 02, 2010, 01:41:04 AM
so dont bother posting in this thread anymore.
He posted 'cause some things were directed at him, like the 'communism ftw' quote which actually is just a joke but ppl don't know because the original post was deleted (were the joke came from). And anyway, he's a moderator here, his opinion SHOULD represent the administration view of things (although it doesn't sadly :( ).
In my opinion, we can talk here until 2012, we won't change their minds in any way possible or not possible.
Quote from: baho on January 02, 2010, 10:39:37 AM
He posted 'cause some things were directed at him, like the 'communism ftw' quote which actually is just a joke but ppl don't know because the original post was deleted (were the joke came from). And anyway, he's a moderator here, his opinion SHOULD represent the administration view of things (although it doesn't sadly :( ).
In my opinion, we can talk here until 2012, we won't change their minds in any way possible or not possible.
What's going to happen at 2012 ? They're going to change their minds ? :)
Quote from: iPKu on January 02, 2010, 10:43:33 AM
Quote from: baho on January 02, 2010, 10:39:37 AM
He posted 'cause some things were directed at him, like the 'communism ftw' quote which actually is just a joke but ppl don't know because the original post was deleted (were the joke came from). And anyway, he's a moderator here, his opinion SHOULD represent the administration view of things (although it doesn't sadly :( ).
In my opinion, we can talk here until 2012, we won't change their minds in any way possible or not possible.
What's going to happen at 2012 ? They're going to change their minds ? :)
Don't take it literally. It just means until the supposed end of the world, as in NEVER ;)
wtb aderyne
wtb catalin
Catalin ?! He said they would have fortresses soon becouse it's working in 99% and now, after almost 1 year.. nothing. Still no fortresses. So wtb developers and admins who really care.
to be honest when i heard about that fameous gf files leak (like 6months ago or more), I tought it'll be some kind of epic server, low rate also including eng community with some kind of donations that will have little influence on gameplay, (this was most popular subject on almost every l2 forum for private servers for a long time) if u would make advertisement , donations for some quests and items(not talking about +10 enchant or atnhy , little improvement) u would have a lot of players here ready to donate to gain advantage which finally comes to rly NICE CASH. And a little proof that im right
atm 16 .00 gmt+1
x1- 1.717
x5 - 18
x10 - 380
x1000 - 470
[en30x] - 2400 (after loly no-wiped beta , rly bad advertisement, mid rate(the most popular are low rates 5-10), bad antibot system)
international community is a huge power and U (staff) have to realize it . (i hope u'll be able to read it :P )
Quote from: reni on January 02, 2010, 04:33:58 PM
Catalin ?! He said they would have fortresses soon becouse it's working in 99% and now, after almost 1 year.. nothing. Still no fortresses. So wtb developers and admins who really care.
what do you need devs for if you have full gracia ?
just need someone that still care for the server after years, like catalin
aderyn is a joke at it, not even gonna talk about his dev skills LOL
Quote from: naro on January 03, 2010, 12:30:09 AM
what do you need devs for if you have full gracia ?
just need someone that still care for the server after years, like catalin
aderyn is a joke at it, not even gonna talk about his dev skills LOL
Aderyn did a good job for like 2,5 Years, then he saw his project is going nowhere because you can't get new people with 2 Years old modded C4 Server with alot missing C5 Features and went inactive (aka playing Aion all day or doing RL stuff).
And yes there are still alot things to fix on RPG Club, because not everything work like on Retail Gracia Final. Maybe you know what PTS Files mean ...
Pretty sure selling the files would make a way bigger profit than donations :p
Quote from: Pawlak on January 03, 2010, 09:27:45 PM
Pretty sure selling the files would make a way bigger profit than donations :p
Don't be so sure...
Quote from: tz on January 03, 2010, 09:37:14 PM
Quote from: Pawlak on January 03, 2010, 09:27:45 PM
Pretty sure selling the files would make a way bigger profit than donations :p
Don't be so sure...
30grand > 15 dollars from like 100 people
ask aderyn how much money can make 2 years old c4 moded when u open new low rate with good advertisement
what we counted according to ppl posted donations on forum(and that were only ppl who admit to donate) it was over 50 000$ for first 2 months
thats on azure, rpg will make 15 dollasr from like 100-150 people
Quote from: zook on January 04, 2010, 01:30:04 PM
thats on azure, rpg will make 15 dollasr from like 100-150 people
They're in the different side of the world :) azure was to expensive to donate and celes wasn't even worth that money that people gave :(
with htese files and aderyns hardware = 8k ppl gracia final private
make donations like azure and u gona be hunted down by mafia :DDDDD
i agree hell be making soooooo much money lol
Like many people would go back to azure, the guy was just around to make some extra money otherwise you would have seen some improvement, most of the development happened when aderyn wasnt the owner but ashe, the early stage of supreme was good, the change to azure was crap, people stayed talking about stability but it was just the good memories of the early supreme which had a good team.
Just let's be honest aderyn as an owner is just crap, he is not suited for this job :D
no clue but azure community n forums was dope. i think if aderyne had the files and made a 15-20x it would be the best server of da world. straight mafia like ve3k said
SupremeL2 DaBest!
*No Homo"
I don't think that a lot ppl would go back to azure even if they open low rate bug free gracia final server, aderyn simply lost most ppl trust and keeps loosing with curent server situation and his pro gms baning everyone from forums that are brave enough to state the obvious.
Just now topic about important bug was deleted, and person who asked for reason was banned on forum. Nice one mr.admin.
EDIT: Just type reason for ban: "Shutting inconvenient ppl".